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Paying for Inktomi

Will it just spider one page on my site or more?

   
12:54 am on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone,

I'm trying to get listed better in Inktomi. I don't mind paying $39 US or whatever to have my site indexed, but I notice it says 'per url'. Does that mean inktomi will go to my frontpage, index it and then leave, or will it actually crawl my site? It's a small site, only about 50 pages. I'm certainly not paying for each of those pages to be crawled individually.

Thanks for any advice!

12:59 am on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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One page.
1:02 am on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That brings me to another question then.

If I pay to have the front page indexed, is there any hope of the rest of the site being indexed for free, over time? I have a site in Ink but took several months to get there.

I'd be willing to wait a few months if I could get my whole site indexed, as opposed to paying to have one page indexed period.

8:44 am on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the rest of the pages will get spidered indeed. For me it took month and a half after I submitted my index page so I recommend you just wait...
8:05 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I pay to have the front page indexed, is there any hope of the rest of the site being indexed for free, over time?

I highly doubt it. In fact, I can almost gurantee that your whole site wont get crawled for free. People have tried PFI for their sitemap to no avail.

My suggestion is to have good content on all of your pages, and you'll get indexed for free. I have a brand new site on Inktomi (with 0 incoming links), and all of my pages with good content have been indexed.

8:21 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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panic, if you've got no inbound links, how did Ink find it? Did you submit through one of the partner sites?
3:02 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Agree with panic. pay for the pages you want to see in the SERP's, if you want to see them soon.

Or, wait until INK decides they have no hope of snaring you as a paying customer. :-)

5:20 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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panic, if you've got no inbound links, how did Ink find it? Did you submit through one of the partner sites?

It found my site through my DNS, I'm guessing.

3:32 pm on Jan 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So there is hope if you submit a few pages that the rest will be picked up or not?

Some of my sites have 1000+ pages plus, some just 25. Either way I can not afford 39 + (1000 x 25) = too much.

Has anyone had luck or lack there of with INK picking up more pages after you PFI?

Or what if you in free and do PFI for those that INK has missed, were there any effects to your other listings?

- Thanks

6:30 pm on Jan 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So there is hope if you submit a few pages that the rest will be picked up or not?

For one of my sites (which was brand new), I only submitted the homepage and approx 25 other pages got in (with a deep crawl). Only the index page was indexed at first, and after about 6 months of being in the index, I then got my other pages indexed.

Or what if you in free and do PFI for those that INK has missed, were there any effects to your other listings?

They'll probably drop your current listings once you go PFI.
6:40 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see Ink has my index page - of which i want - but i don't find it when looking for any keyword combination on my site.

Would paying for that allow me anything i get "free" now?

3:07 am on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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They'll probably drop your current listings once you go PFI.

This is what I'm afraid of. I have a site that is well indexed by Inktomi but is spidered only once a month. I have considered paid inclusion for my main page so it will be refreshed more often, but I'm worried that my current serps will be affected.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

2:07 am on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Regarding dropping already indexed pages:
Heh, I wish I'd known this last week!
I had a VERY well indexed site on alltheweb. Like hundreds of pages which linked to my other sites, helping them get higher in the rankings, etc. However not a SINGLE page of the site was indexed in Lycos. It ranks in the top ten on google, yahoo, etc., been around for years, has hundreds of backlinks, but simply could not get FAST to even look at it. So I decided to break down and pay (via Lycos) to have the home page included in their FAST index. Within days EVERY link from that domain on alltheweb disappeared! This has hurt my other pages which were linked from this domain as well! And although the home page has been spidered a few times it has YET to show up on Lycos (zero pages found from the domain via their index check method) or any other FAST SE despite my written complaints!
This will be the last time I venture into paying FAST for anything!
Meanwhile a page I submitted from another domain at the same time, and which was in Lycos already, but not the other FAST SE's now shows up TWICE in Lycos. The original which they found on their own comes up around #8 for my primary keyword and the exact same link (with their embedded tracking code) which I PAID to submit comes up around 80 something!
Guess that PROVES it's utterly useless to pay for submission! I had MUCH better luck getting indexed quicker (especially on ATW) by entering a free submit! Overall, I've had very similar experience with PFI on Inktomi.
Mike
3:27 am on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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They'll probably drop your current listings once you go PFI.

Not in my recent experience. This was supposedly a problem a couple years ago, though. I've added free pages to Ink to help me get a closer look and there were no bad effects. None at all.

4:32 am on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I GUARANTEE it happened to me just this week. If you want to sticky me I'll send you the domain name which had hundreds of pages indexed there, many in the top 10-30, up until a few days ago and is now not even findable via advanced search, search by domain name, ANYTHING!
I was just thinking this would be a really cool way to kill your competitors' listings real quick! Especially ones who have tons of un-paid listings. Just pick the most obscure, useless page on their site and pay the $15 each or whatever, to submit it for indexing on Ink and Fast. Suddenly all their other pages are bye-bye.
Anyone know if there is any way a multi-million$ corporation could coerce Ink/Fast into telling who submitted their page for indexing? Would the submitter be liable for damages or would Ink/Fast?
7:59 am on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What is the best place to check Inktomi rankings? M$N seems unreliable since there seem to be results from other sources mixed in with the Ink ones. What about HotBot?
9:49 am on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You can check Ink rankings here:

Inktomi Pure Search [search.positiontech.com]

And also, the default search at HotBot is Inktomi.

9:59 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Neither MSN or HotBot take Inktomi results as is. For one thing, both downgrade Canadian and other non-U.S. web sites due to some sort of weird geographical algorithm. This leads to weird artifacts like links to web sites ranking much higher than the sites themselves.