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The silence is deafening here, while all memebers seem to be analyzing Florida 24x7, has anyone seen a change in the Ink outlets?
I have seen major drops in SERP's at MSN and HotBot for many PFI pages. My sample size now exceeds 1000 pages and I have experienced an 85% drop in them.
Am I alone?......
My sample size now exceeds 1000 pages
So you have 1000 PFI pages and experienced an 85% drop from Ink - so 850 of your PFI pages are gone?
Gone from the same site, various sites?
MSN has been hit harder than HotBot.
Sites are hosted at a number of locations; including my own servers, host providers, and client owned sites. None have had identifiable down times. Checked the Ink refresh dates and all have been successfully refreshed in last 72 hours.
Searches for specific PFI pages at MSN + HB pull up the correct page w/ content, and Inktomi redirect is in the link. Searches for all past successful keyword phrases are gone, vitrually overnight.
Perhaps an algo tweak occurred? Do you watch any other serps? How do they look? Oh, and are you in a 'bad neighborhood'?
Would it be fair to say that you had your pages optimized for a certain Ink algo, they've switched, and now you're on the outside?
If so, lucky you that "you are PFI" and can get back in '48 hrs'. Also, lucky you that you can experiment with different optimization strategies 'cause you've got lots of sites - unlucky you cause you'll have to adjust a lot of sites if this is true (sorry).
vitrually overnight
For anyone else whp may have seen a shift, what "overnight" are you referring to? (yesterday, last week etc.)
Neighborhood is squeaky clean, and techniques are on the level as well. But it would be very fair to say the content is all fashioned along the same outline (NOT a template though, it is all unique content). Nothing groundbreaking, just keyword in title, heading, page name, and a very reasonable kwd body density (5-7%).
I strongly suspect an algo tweak as well, and I am looking for indication that it hit someone else also.
Yes, lucky for the 48 hour update, let the testing begin. Adjustments not a problem, that’s the fun with Ink, instant gratification. :)
Can't wait to see what Yahktomi! will be like.
Anyway... the issues I have seen are based on dup content, but I'm guessing there are other filters in place as well.
Inktomi is a mess. YahooInk will still be INK... and thus... a mess. They've got some serious problems with indexing dynamic links and with some of their filters.
You can get your competitors dropped from the SERPS with just a few small techniques. I've been dropped because of something that a competitor did (theirs was actually an accident, but it got me dropped nonetheless).
So I am SOL because I PFI and because Slurp can't read dynamic links correctly.
As I said in the other thread, Position Tech claimed Inktomi removed it because other sites had copied some content. That is idiotic policy of course, so I don't know if it is true, but the fact is that my site continues to no longer be in Ink while anybody who ever copied some of it is.
[edited by: tedster at 12:24 am (utc) on Dec. 17, 2003]
I think that perhaps this was an accident by Ink. It honestly just doesn't make any sense for them to penalize only PFI pages. It's poor for their bottom line, and Yahoo's all about the bottom line (not that I blame them, so am I).
So I guess the million dollar question is: Do we wait until Ink fixes the bug and starts to include all of the PFI pages that were dropped to the dredges, or do we start trying to figure it out on our own and testing solutions.
I've started down the second road... because...well, I can't just sit back and not do anything about it. Ink's organic index is as slow as a turtle, so it may take a while to find a fix. And I'm still hopefull that Ink will do the fix before I can find a workaround.
I am simutaneuosly working on "weaning" myself from PFI by bolstering linking from my Inktomi organically listed sites in order to get more reliable natural spidering.
I am very interested in learning if this is a filter/algo measuring some on-page/off-page factors applied only to PFI pages, or if the filter/algo is based solely on a scoring "demerit" assigned to PFI. Not sure if I am being clear here, but if the latter is true, then no amount of modifications to PFI pages will help because it is penalized based only on the fact it is PFI. If the former is true, then PFI pages could be salvaged by making the correct changes to them.
I don't think that Ink would systematically put a "demerit" on PFI pages on purpose. But... who knows, I could definately be totally wrong on that.
I've taken a very aggressive approach and I too am dropping PFI pages systematically and pshing for organic crawl to index pages.
I don't think Ink will stick with the current results if they want to really be considered a "major player" in the search industry. I monitor over 100 search terms for 6 sites and I've never seen the results so poor. I only PFI for 2 of those sites and those two have been hit really hard. All the talk on other forums leads me to believe that PFI pages are the only ones getting hit... or at least getting hit the hardest.
I have several examples where you can search for the name of a site and the site doesn't come up, or you can search for the exact title of some sites (6 words long) and the page with that exact title won't come up until the 15th result. I've checked with Ink and they claim that the sites are fine and in good standing but that it's a result of an algorithmic change. Yikes.
Showing up below where it used to, but at least it's showing up now, and that's a good thing.
One more indication that some strange algorthmic filter on pages that have "perceived" dupe content.
However, all the other pages from my domain that were removed are still gone. This is not an issue with pfi pages. It's an issue of pfi pages that were penalized ending up penalizing an entire domain that had been in Ink for free for years.
