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Not from what I can tell....mine are still there. It is better than Google at spotting duplicate/similar content. It also doesn't like very large sites that don't have deep links....both of these are things to watch out for;)
the listings in the pure INK results at search.positiontech.com / Hotbot and MSN results are sometimes very different. Only for a few keyphrases and definately not all, but there is a difference.
I know all about LS listings etc. so dont worry its not them. To me its as if MSN is deliberatly leaving out results that are in the pure INK listings, and Hotbot is choosing some and not others. MSN is then adding loads of other crap.
After 2 years of submitting to INK this is the first time I have seen such a strange thing, but if its happening every 6 weeks please do tell me!
I'm still exploring the exact nature of the new algorithm, but it looks like sites that were recently included via PFI have all dropped. Most have few inbound links. It also looks like the importance of the Title Tag has diminished. I hope this is a temporary blip...
now dont you guys think im going mad or anything but I think its MSN.com and Hotbot.com pulling in a different INK feed.
Let me tell you why, I have just checked loads of ranks on MSN Denmark and India (we have a few clients out that way) and the results are the same as pure INK.
Do yourself a test, search for a few things and you will probably find your results are where they used to be on MSN.com....mmmmm.....and it gets weirder...About.com also pulls in the pure INK feed as well as many other INK fed engines.
The problem seems to be ONLY with MSN.com and Hotbot.com. Now my first thoughts were this; its an INK algo change (possibly Yahoo testing stuff with it) or MSN inserting some of their own stuff, but now I am thinking different and because with both MSN.com and Hotbot.com showing different results to MSN India etc. it might well be that they are either pulling in from a different INK database OR something is bust.
A site vanised from a number 3 listing in Hotbot.com in front of my eyes this morning when I refreshed the page! Weird stuff but one thing is for sure....I DONT LIKE IT ONE BIT!
Go knock yourself out, check your positions at:
[msn.co.in...] for pure INK!
The sites pages showing above me all have better incoming links... I hope that isn't all this is down to, but would like to know either way. I don't think this is a glitch...
MSN have their own bot out there now - could this be the start of results from it?
Now I'm not as concerned about the Yahoo switch but I sure would like to get my old MSN rankings back.
For the first two days of October my referrals from MSN have dropped by 80%.
Example: For the search "city state widget", a client site was #1 in the SERPs at MSN the day they were included via PFI. They have bounced between #1 and #3 over the last 90 days. This search returns about 150,000 sites. On Oct. 1, the site dropped to #471 (yeah, I looked hard to find that one). There have been absolutely no changes of any kind to the site. In the Ink Pure Search, it's still #1.
This is not unique; in fact this is exactly typical of about 20 other client websites I checked. All are unique, no spam, no crosslinking, no hidden text, nothing. All squeaky clean, hosted at different servers, unrelated. The only thing they have in common is PFI inclusion in Inktomi (through 2 different resellers) over the last few months. As I said, the sites that have been in for over eight or so months seem fine.
So, what is MSN up to.....?
I think that whatever the algo change is, it is some form of penalisation, otherwise the order of the results would have changed. Check your pages for anything that might be wrong with your pages that were dropped down.
Please everybody don't shout at me at once, but one of the things I did on a few of my pages was to have ★ stars in my titles - I knew it would not last forever, but it is something which really stands out in a SERP. The debate as to whether or not this is spam has been covered already... anyway, I saw a few pages with HTML characters in the meta description, so this could be one thing that is being penalised... HTML characters in the description, or title.
I took the stars out and I'll post the results in a few days - a lot of people complain about PFI inktomi, but I love the fact that I can make a change and see how it affects the ranking about three days later.... I don't think it's possible to achieve that with free inktomi.
Beforehand, Ink used to show my "about us" page. My pages still show up for the domain.com search.
My other well established sites, pfi and non-pfi are still in there, so I'm wondering if it's some kind of dance with new sites getting integrated. Just a hunch.
Ink updates it's non-pfi index every 10-14 days. Let's wait and see.
as stated by others it does seem like those just on the 48 hour refresh are affected. ive got a couple of hundred sites in through positiontech, i would say a good 60% have dropped down so far i cant see them, but again only in msn.com, no other ink engine.
each has almost identical criteria, and defo no spam of any sort whatsoever so its looking stranger and stranger.
i have got a big feeling that this is gonna stay the same tho and isnt gonna refer back. ive posted through a couple of new sites to INK today but have changed a couple of things with the pages to see what happens...keep posting though guys..(I AINT GONNA LET OLD GATESY WIN!)...i will get my sites back up if it kills me.
Those people were organizing an action to call the president of PT about the issue, but they haven't posted anything here so probably nothing came of it.
Another thing to note is that there aren't large numbers of PFI people complaining about an "algo change" so it's pretty likely something that isn't affecting sites that have been in the index for a long time, or PFI in general.
August 31, 2003
All my pages dropped from Ink except PFI
What is the current Ink update cycle? by Callanish
Around the middle of August there were several reports of heavy Inktomi bot action, but no complaints about an update.
July 14, 2003
Has Inktomi dropped adult websites?
my inktomi sites in msn gone by irishdude
July 1, 2003
2 totally different Inktomi's?
Today switched back to old results by littlecloud
June 28, 2003
looks like a pretty big one by littlecloud
June 18, 2003
PFI Site gone from INK
this is the second time! by textex
10-14 day cycle, just like Inktomi says on their website- martinibuster, do you have a URL for this, please? I can't find it anywhere on their site, neither can google.
Let's try to get to the bottom of this - I paid for my inclusion with Positiontech at the start of June... anybody else?
This isn't a freshness thing like google does, because I have changed the pages many times in the past...