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Nice start, but they gotta do better than that, come up with a reason to use the paid inclusion or get rid of it. Maybe dump Overture and rotate paid inclusion results through the Overture spots?
We try harder cause we're number 2, or 3, or 4 or whatever isn't going to work in this case, but how nice it would be to see them come back. It's gonna take a massive marketing budget or else a real reason to regain all the eyeballs they lost.
joined:June 15, 2001
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Then you see the next results link.
If AV where to simply re-order these items to have the next results link appear right below the results this would probably be the biggest improvement they could make.
I also prefer Google's straight links. Link tracking and redirecting is not what I want.
And finally, they'll have to crawl A LOT more pages and they don't catch typos. With typos, two results. Without typo, 2,220 results. In Google, I'd get more results and a "Did you mean: "...correct spelling".
I do like the "refine" options and the interface is cleaner. But they limit the the query by default to "Germany" and "German, English". Guess I'd have to change my AltaVista settings.
Talking about settings: They store ALL your queries in a cookie QHist that expires in 2013! How is that for privacy?
joined:Feb 8, 2002
I can't say I'm finding the algo to be bad. On the contrary, it's up there with the other majors.
Perhaps one of the reasons why AV more often than Google or Fast returns unsatisfactory results is because their db is apparently very limited at this point.
Just tried a query looking for a script, where Google and Fast return hundreds of results: AV gives zero.
All other queries have far less results than Ink, Fast, Google.
I do not like them giving so much importance to the DMOZ clones. On the first page of results, about five were directories that use the DMOZ database, that is the results are all equal. I would prefer to get the real dmoz.org listing on the first page and then put the clones at the bottom of the results page.
Tried a few searches. I agree with those who posted (spam ready), looks like it to me. (see worse in the past though)
They need to do some work on the "Prisma" thing though. (related terms) For example "infinity stereo" [altavista.com]. What do 'Tires' or 'Tan Leather Interior' have to do with that search?
and why only a link to Lycos and no other?
Overall, I think this is an improvment and at least headed in the right direction. Just need a little more work.
Must still be in 'beta' since they are displaying the server id used at the bottom. Thats my guess for this code...
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Is this a live display of current searches or more of a grab bag from earlier?
I agree with the others, the single biggest improvement would be to get rid of all that garbage down at the bottom of the SERP's. That is the biggest annoyance and the most easily solved problem.
I always thought the Prisma was the best in it's class but the AV DB not up to the task.
>>For example "infinity stereo". What do 'Tires' or 'Tan Leather Interior' have to do with that search?
I think some car has/had a stereo marketed under that name, if my memory serves me right. That might explain the related terms.
What will be interesting will be to see if AV starts updating regularly by respidering old listings at least monthly AND expanding the size of the database. I think consistant and regular updates and expansion are crucial to success.
which are incomplete. I can show the error logs to someone if they sticky me. There are lots of these.
Any ideas what it is doing?
... a little number crunching could reveal some interesting stuff. Looks like its still just as easy to get in there...
1) Relevancy of the its search results - minimum spam, no ads (leader - Google)
2) Freshness of its entire database - without such a thing as express inclusion (leaders - Google, FAST)
3) Friendly user interface - search box, results, minimum/no ads/affiliates, that's it! (leaders - Google, AllTheWeb, Gigablast)
4) Size of its database (leaders - Google, FAST)
With its new user interface and updated algorithm and database AV is stepping in the right direction. Yet, it is still behind the other major search engines in each of the four points above. These changes are not enough to affect the search habits of the average Joe.
I agree Prisma is very tied to what is on the pages of the first X results. That can lead to some strange stuff. I find that I do not use suggested search refinements like Prisma but maybe others like them.
Good points. Freshness and size won't happen overnight. With billions of pages to be spidered it will take many months and some heavy server load. But it has to be done.
> what does that exactly mean?
I'd like to know that too. I just searched one of my main keywords. I was #1 and 2 but with two pages that do not exist any more. None of my existing pages are there.
But I've been scootered recently, so perhaps?
Wow! That give us ± 25% of content and 75% Advertising
wait guys, maybe this is just "pre-release" or smart marketing. since they have new look i am sure every major forum/newsletter will link to AV showing these changes so their traffic is up 100 times i am sure :) this wil slow down within a week i am sure. now at this time when traffic is up they can makesomething from this traffic and then tell that "it was jsut test phase" alte :) would you not do the same if you got some boost from some source. i would put some ads on my site.
joined:Nov 20, 2000
For me, AV still can't take their eyes sufficiently away from the very short term. They need to get rid of a lot of the clutter (ads) and still do some more work on their algo and on freshness (older pages seem to rank much better than newer ones).
None of them is already in the index this morning. Could AV prepare us a little surprise?
Any similar experiences of new sites not included yet?
joined:Nov 8, 2002
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