What is the best way to get in MSN.com?

[Istvan]

Is it trough Inktomi?
I have only experience with Google, but because I don't want to put everything on one horse, so I was thinking about subscribing my sites also to other search engines.
While in Google everything is about PageRank, how are things in Inktomi and MSN.com? Can anyone give me an idea?

Thanks.
Istvan

[diddlydazz]

To get into MSN you can try Zeal for non commercial or Ink for commercial.

depending on the niche you can get very good results from both options but I am yet to find anything that comes close to Google referals.

Good luck whichever route you take.

Dazz

[Istvan]

Hi Dazz,
I found this at Positiontech, If I understand it well, it says that no matter if you subscribe trough a paid one or a free one, it is not effecting the ranking... That is weird to me, so even if you pay a amount of $$$ then still you don't get any advantages?

Are there any tricks that can be used while dealing with Inktomi and MSN, like in Google?

"
As an Inktomi Search/Submit subscriber, your Web pages are ranked with Inktomi's normal relevance scoring algorithm. This means your Web page is ranked in the same way Inktomi ranks non-subscribers. Maintaining this consistency ensures the integrity of Inktomi search results and a quality search experience for users. Please remember that Inktomi Search/Submit subscribers are not guaranteed placement in the top page of results."

Istvan

[thejenn]

MSN delivers Looksmart results as the primary results. You can get a listing in LS through their PPC program. Or, you can submit non-commercial content areas of your site to Zeal. (as was pointed out.)

On most competitive, high traffic terms, MSN provides a few pages of Looksmart results before they get to the secondary Inktomi listings. Thus, you are only going to see traffic from an Ink listing on MSN if you are optimized for a few more targeted, less competitive keyword phrases. Try running a search for your phrases on MSN and see how far down you need to dig to find the Ink results. If they show up at a reasonable level, and you are confident that you can rank well in the Ink algo, you should consider submitting your site to them.

Ink relies on a combination of keyword density, title & meta tags and link popularity. *Generally*, a well optimized Google site will rank well. FYI, Ink has recently expanded their index by a massive amount, so there's been some shakeup in results lately.

[thejenn]

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That is weird to me, so even if you pay a amount of $$$ then still you don't get any advantages?
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The sites that are indexed for free are fully spidered (meaning the spider will follow links) but are only indexed about once a month or so.

The sites that pay for inclusion are spidered every 48 hours or so and are NOT fully spidered. (meaning ONLY the page that you pay for will be indexed...the spider will not find your other pages based on you paying for one to be indexed.)

The advantage of paying is that you can make minor changes to your site and wait for the 48 hour update to see how they affect your rankings. Great for those who love to tweak their sites.

The advantage of a free listing is that it costs nothing and usually results in a good portion of your site being indexed, thus giving you more chances to rank well.

[Istvan]

Hi TheJenn,
Thanks for your reply. I just went to looksmart and MSN.com, there I saw such a program where you pay a setup fee of $49 and then per click trough $0.15. Is this the usual way of getting into the "first few pages in the MSN.com search results"? Or is there also a program where you pay a fixed amount of money, which puts you in the index for a certain time (like a year)?
Istvan

[Istvan]

One more thing.. In what extent is it possible to tweak the search results provided at MSN.com. For example if there are total 45 results available. Is it true that those 45 results are in fact paid results in some way (trough LS, Inktomi, MSN), and that the remaining free subscribe results come after those 45, (the remaining 10k results)?
Istvan