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Is it time for sites to quit the Ink pay-for-inclusion program? Because Inktomi listings without MSN won't be worth a plug nickle.
Anyone have any information on Ink's future with MSN?
If MSN were to drop Inktomi, an account with them would virtually worthless now that AOL is on the way out.
Will MSN drop INK?
I don't know, but I wouldn't doubt it.
Who will MSN pick up?
If they did drop INK, I think it is hard to speculate who they would go with. Although Google is everyone's favorite search engine, I can't see MSN using them for their search results. Who is the next big dog in the running? Fast, AV, Wisenut, Teoma, etc?
I have seen a lot of activity on one site that I have (for three months), and a site of my sons (for three months), plus my new site. None of the three sites are in the SERPS even with their domains. Trouble is Wisenut SERPS seem so out dated and irrelevent compared to any of the other SE's. I don't think Wisenut is a contender for MSN because of this. It would be FAST or Teoma and I lean towards Teoma ;)
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It would be FAST or Teoma and I lean towards Teoma
Taking bets ;)
I never bet - never even play the lottery ;)
Like I said - I think Teoma is searching for someone to put them in the spotlight, MSN is about the spotlight left that has not been Googled.
Hey this post switched to my old member name - oh Brett .......
Then we only have FAST and Google left, i don't count WiseNut since they are owned by Looksmart, and it doesn't seem that the MSN & Looksmart relation is the best.
Google, nope i think they want there adwords to be presented and i think MSN want to stick with Overture.
FAST excellent language support, better serp's than anyone else when it comes to language specific searches which is a big plus for msn since msn is represented in almost every "internet country" in the world, and have a large audience.
They could also make some money if they became the reseller of FAST's PFI.
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I still want them to make it. If it wasn't for Inktomi, I wouldn't have built my business the way I have. That's why I still give them a few hundred bucks a week (shoot - I give AV a few $ too). I don't think that MSN will give them up, they have got to be better than L$!
We need other SEs. I back FAST, have a weak-spot for INK, like Teoma and fear Google.
I don't think MSN will go for Wisenut, that is just too silly! But stranger things have happened..
My money would be on them sticking with Ink.. No other SE is pulling the money from PFI that Ink is... And from the current MSN setup it certainly looks like they prefer to show results that pay them rather than worrying about quality...
I think with Fast already powering ALLTHEWEB and Lycos that MSN would shy away from them since I believe that Fast may trying to build ATW into it's own portal in the future.
Who is going to pick up Teoma?
Without Teoma getting a deal with MSN or similiar it will take forever to progress. Sure they have ASK but I think that is more popular in the UK than the USA.
Forget ATW as standalone search destination.
No, FAST would be the obvious choice for some reasons: They have the potential , as in index size, spidering abilities, ranking algo.
They have, as Lazer pointed out a rich multilanguage index, other than Teoma or Wisenut. MSN operates worldwide.
But then - the financials. OK there's PartnerSite PFI. MSN could put PPC on top.
But surely Ink has much more to offer in this regard.
Now I have posted my latest concern about Fast/MSN here:
But I guess this would apply to INK and Teoma.
[edited by: The_Contractor at 11:19 pm (utc) on June 10, 2002]
MSN also controls INK's stock price. By keeping everyone in the dark and guessing about their future relationship with INK, such as expressed in this thread, they keep the INK stock price low.
When it drops to a nickle a share they will buy it up and THEN announce a long-term INK deal.
If you were MSN would you walk away from such a free lunch? Or would you turn it into a feast?
I wasn't of this impression at all. I was of the impression that the web search business was only a very small piece of Inktomi's business. When Yahoo gave them the boot a couple years ago, I don't think their stock price flinched.
Wisenut was built on Windows from the start...it always struck me as odd why someone would do that. Imagine if Google had to pay for a "license" for each of those 10,000 servers.
MSN has INK by the short hairs and they BOTH know it.
Mayor, look at what happened to their stock price when AOL gave them the boot.
Nell I don't see MSN buying inktomi outright, but rather buying up some infrastructure if it goes that way. BTW, the inktomi palace that they built during the dot-com hay-day is sitting empty. The commercial real estate market here is very saturated, and they are still building on old contracts. I see this as a real problem for inktomi -- that's why I don't see anybody buying them.
It used to be smaller but with the collapse of the other businesses it is about all they have now.
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