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Inktomi Update?

Complete drop in all Inktomi partners

         

mburgess

1:05 pm on Jun 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ok...bear with me here...just two weeks ago, I enjoyed nice listings with all Inktomi partners (LS (UGH), Overture, HB, MSN, etc). Our site has been up for quite some time and we were fortunate to not have to use their pay for inclusion program. Now...just two weeks later, we've dropped everywhere. And I mean a complete drop. From Page 1 Position 2's, 4's, 7's, to totally out. We do not do any "unethical" SEO at all, just straightforward methods. So, I'm asking if anyone has had this problem with them lately?

Also, I've been reading some articles about how LS is affecting Inktomi results. If this is the case, my site was just "paused" by LS a couple days ago because I've hit my limit. Does this affect my Inktomi rankings as well?

AGH! Such frustration!

Brett_Tabke

1:23 pm on Jun 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I take it, that these were 'unpaid' pages or just your ls listed pages?

nell

6:59 pm on Jun 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Competitor submit your URL for you in the paid inclusion program? If so, good-bye to all free listings.

mburgess

12:25 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Brett...this were free listings.

Nell...I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about competitors submitting my url in the PI program. Do you really think that a competitor would waste his money submitting other people's URL's into their program? I doubt that that happend in my case. Have you come across instances where this has happened and if so, how do you fight it?

mburgess

12:26 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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...these were free listings. (bad grammer...Monday morning!) We've never used a PFI program with this client.

makemetop

12:56 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)



>my site was just "paused" by LS a couple days ago because I've hit my limit. Does this affect my Inktomi rankings as well?

Yes. You will be removed by INK from their listings until the next INK update. A competitor hasn't paid for your URLs to be in INK - L$ has (which is just as bad). When you get removed from their DB, they take the URL they have paid for (and you) out of INK! Only ways I know of around it are:

a) Pay INK yourself and you'll re-appear.
b) Remove yourself from L$ (to prevent it happening again) and wait for INKs main DB to update and put you back in.

mburgess

1:37 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Let me see if I understand this correctly...when my listing in LS is "paused," all of my lisitngs in Inktomi are "paused" as well? Even those web page results listings that appear in MSN, HB, Overture & LS? Why? What is the connection between LS & Inktomi? Aren't their results independant of one another? Why would having my LS listing "paused" have any affect on my Ink lisitngs?

So, if I have my client buy into Inktomi's pay for inclusion program...they will remain listed in all Inktomi engines, even after their LS listing has been "paused?"

makemetop

1:47 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)



>What is the connection between LS & Inktomi?

L$ is an INK Index Connect subscriber - and has been since March last year. With L$ going PPC, you are getting charged per click on INK results by L$.

>Aren't their results independant of one another?

Not if L$ is submitting your URL(s) to INK. When L$ remove your URL from their DB - they no longer feed it to INK.

>Why would having my LS listing "paused" have any affect on my Ink lisitngs?

See above.

>they will remain listed in all Inktomi engines, even after their LS listing has been "paused?"

Yes. You will notice that before you are paused that the INK listing will often have your L$ Title and Description - and after it is paused you will revert to your own page Title and Description.

The INK/L$ relationship was a benefit until L$ went PPC - now it can be a millstone around a site's neck!

mburgess

2:02 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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makemetop...thanks for all of your help.

This whole LS thing is a disaster. And with a pending lawsuit, I can only imagine what will happen next from them!

mayor

6:18 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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About a month ago I had an entire site, which had been in the Ink db for nearly three years, diasppear.

At first I thought a competitor might have played dirty by submitting my site to the pay-for-inclusion program to get all the free pages purged. I spent a day analyzing my log files and finally concluded that this was not the work of a competitor. Furthermore, I have another site that has paid-inclusion and free pages both, so the theory that joining the paid-inclusion program at Ink trashes all the free pages on that URL doesn't hold true in my case.

This site was never submitted to L$, so the theory that L$ is taking the Ink listings down with it doesn't apply here.

I tried submitting a former high-traffic page to the pay for inclusion program. It was indexed but ranked so low as to not draw traffic.

My best conclusion is that Inktomi cranked up some spam filters and started trashing innocent sites. Google does it an gets away with it, and even lured AOL away from Ink, so Ink may be taking their lead.