new ink question

I used ink's paid inclusion and my aol ranking tanked

[timotter]

I used inktomis paid inclusion 2 days ago on a couple of pages that had been ranked in aol search in the mid 50's so not a great ranking. I heard that paid inclusion would help rankings so I tried it with a couple of pages. But now I can't find my site period. Was this a mistake? Can it be fixed?
If I were to send Ink a bill for poor performance would I get a #1 ranking.

[Marcia]

Welcome to the board, timotter.

Where did you check to find your pages? The Ink partners update within different timeframes, I've found that MSN is generally the first. Check here: for straight Intomi search [169.207.238.189].

In view of other recent developments that have just surfaced, let me ask you this - is your site also listed in Looksmart and/or ODP?

[stcrim]

timotter

I have made the same mistake you did as have many other people.

INK claims that paying for a page will not trash your free pages. BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN MY EXPERIENCE...

-s-

[flyingpep]

I usually just go by the pure search to see where I stand on Ink. What aol or msn does with the data is out of their hands.

[rcjordan]

Welcome to wmw, flyingpep.

[flyingpep]

Well thanks :)

[caine]

I always find Inks algo, weird, because what ever it denotes as positives and negatives of a page, are way out from Google, Fast, Wisenut and AV.

Some of the weirdest pages come up, though at the Barcon, certain individuals suggested written pages specifically for ink !

[jatar_k]

we have reeeeeally good results with ink paid inclusion. I wouldn't neglect it. Tags matching content works well.

as we all know, content is king.

There are always pages that ink doesn't like, we usually give it a little time and then sub other pages for ones that don't get good clickthroughs.

[timotter]

Marcia: My site is listed in ODP but not Looksmart, I am trying to find the cheap route first if I can. I went to the straight Inktomi search like you suggested and one of the pages I listed is there the other isn't.

Stcrim How long did it take for your listings to get back to where they were before?

thanks for all the suggestions though

[Marcia]

timotter, if it's only a couple of days, give it a bit more and check at the site of the company you submitted through. It should tell about the inclusion, and if there's still a problem write to them - the company, not Ink.

>one of the pages I listed is there the other isn't.

Give it several days and check by domain at AOL and MSN as well as pure search.. I'd just like to point out a simple difference between those two, in case your pages turn up there. I had two pages from a site in, paralleled with some cross-over in keywords, although I attempted to optimize them for different keywords - each one for one of the two best. At MSN they both appeared for searches, one right after the other - in pure search as well. Yet, with AOL, one page ONLY came up for each of the two keyword phrases, not the two of them as with MSN.

I noticed this phenomenon and tweaked page #1 a bit more for the phrase emphasized on #2. In a couple of days, page #1 showed up at AOL for both searches, moving up from #11 to #7 for phrase #2 with no loss for phrase #1. You could no longer find page #2 for phrase #2 at AOL, it had been replaced there by #1. At that point, for all practical purposes, 2 pages were no longer needed, only 1 was. MSN seems to show both, AOL does not seem to show both together. I've seen the same thing on a second site with two pages that are optimized for two different phrases that are close - MSN shows both, AOL only one for each phrase.

Sorry, please forgive all the repetition. I just wanted to make sure it was clear without naming specific keyword phrases and thought it was worth pointing out with respect to AOL for anyone with a similar situation who might see something similar.

This only reflects a limited "experiment" (which also is the case with site I've got in BOW that I just checked) and might possibly not apply at all in other cases. And it should also be qualified by saying that this is not by any means even near being a competitive category, although it does bring steady niche traffic. It's not likely that this would occur with anything considered competitive; I've got no idea, it's not within my experience to do "competitive" with Ink, just targeted niche type stuff, so it's certainly not informative beyond that.

[timotter]

thanks Marcia

[stcrim]

timotter

My listing have never come back. And unless Ink wakes up and decides that's not a good way to treat PAYING customers I doubt they will come back...

-s-

[Jill]

I usually just go by the pure search to see where I stand on Ink.

Where do we find pure Ink results these days? I dumped my paid pages as they never did anything at all and were buried too deep to ever be found in search. I want to see what I still have in the database.

[john316]

Here ya go...good luck.

[169.207.238.189...]

[Jill]

Well what's showing in the "pure search" is 2 of my paid pages are still in, for the time being I'm sure - and still buried. The only other page in the database is our size charts ;) A whole lotta good that will do us. Now to figure out how to get more in, and if it's even worth the trouble at this point.