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I do my normal 'test' searches one time and all my pages appear, then five minutes later its back to the small DB with none of my supplemental pages.
I checked Canada.com a few times and they seem to be on the large DB all day sofar.
Anyone else seeing this?
It looks like MSN UK has been reverting for some hours at a time over the last three days, although it's been out of sync with the movements at MSN.COM.
I wonder if the large portals (MSN and AOL) simply overwhelm the INK servers at certain times and they then revert to the smaller DB to conserve resources? I have seen this pattern in the past at MSN but may have missed it at AOL in the past because we are well positioned in the first part of an AOL search.
I *wonder* if there may be some kind of a financial reason for this like the small DB costs less than the large one for the subscribing portal ???
I will apply for a course in wizardry soon so I have some hope of making some sense of this pattern.
drbill, MSN Ink can be very generous and pip AV for us on a good day for pages with similar ranking.
First of all - never give up. It's real hard to say what good traffic from MSN is. We use get a hit or two a day from MSN and now we get a couple of thousand a day on one site and varying amounts on others. It took a lot of time for this to happen. I think there's a lot to be said for a site that is seasoned or aged (at least with ink).
Two years ago I would never have dreamed we could be getting the traffic we are now getting - most of the effort and result have been from the past 6 months. WE have had site after site dropped time and time again - and when that would happen we just re-submit and start a new...
There is a lot to be said for pages that pull traffic and knowing your page(s) work in the INK model before building lots and lots of them.
The only time I am sure a site isn't going to work is when the developer gives up - so don't. Half the fun is the chase - the other half is seeing it work...
Sure, and while you and appraiser are burning the place down, let's try renaming a folder or two that some of your pages are in and then resubmitting them. Did you get my e-mail about that Jilly?
To beat tonight, catch me in the morning and let's put this together
Jilly, I feel your pain regarding Ink - I have always struggled with Ink.
Regards to MSN and Ink - most of our traffic for this engine comes from the looksmart listings.
For those of you have good listings in Looksmart & Ink. (propably most of you! :) )Interested to know to what extent MSN accounts for your overall traffic and what % of the MSN traffic comes from Ink. or Looksmart.
Regarding MSN traffic.
When all my pages are fully indexed on MSN, it outpulls all other se's combined, all from Ink database. About 50%-55% of my total traffic is se generated, so MSN accounts for about 25% of total on good days. The reason MSN is so strong is most of my users probably don't know how to reset their home page in IE. :) So they're all starting from MSN. A significant portion, 10-20% of total MSN traffic, also comes from the autosearch, where the user types keywords in IE address window.
Today is a bad day, only my index page is indexed on MSN, and because it's a toc with a bunch of different topics, it doesn't rank high for any keywords. When this happens, MSN traffic goes to zero. I'm listed in Looksmart, but rank low for same reason.
I hate Microsoft, but like everybody else, I'm dependant on the sob's.
From what I've seen, I think INK keeps the root (home) page in the small DB and the supplemental stuff in the large. We just posted our site in February and got the root page in almost immediately bu inspite of multiple submissions to all of the usual sources (anzwers, hotbot, canada, goto) our supplemental pages always remain in the elusive larghe DB. I am seriously thinking of setting up multiple domains so each of my supplemental pages can be their own root page. I only have about six / ten pages I want in the small DB so this may work.
This is only my observation for my site and it may be different for others.
I wish I could tell you, the difficulty being that all the domains I have in the permanent dB have *two* factors;
1.The longer the page has been in the dB the more chance it will be a part of the permanent.
2.Domains with better link pop [better = quality] are more likely to be in the permanent.
The problem is that to an extent the two go hand in hand. It could be a combination of both.
I have tried the above and it does not get you listed :( All My pages are root pages. and that still done not get you listed in the SMALL DB. i have over 6000 links from other sites pointing to each of my domains and still nothing..
NFFC I think you have got it... I think that if you can stay in the Large DB for longer than 2 months then you will get in to the small one. But then again I have no idea anymore.. I have even tried a Spider Dance and still no listing in the Small DB.. Damn there has to be a way of getting in it?
Yep - pour me one! And while you're at it, remember each of INKs portals has control over their results and filtering abilities - the simple answer is, they are working.
We just moved 4 CGI driven databases to a new host - then brought them up one at a time. People trying to access those databases experienced the same frustration we do when ink or one of their portals makes changes - steve