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google update every month, and we all know what a huge job that is.
how do inktomi handle it? I mean, we have pages updating every 48 hours - is anyone sure that if you tweak a page, and 2-3 days later the change is showing, the result is a true updated result or just showing the udpated file? It would seem to me that if each tweak was processed properly, then they'd have to update their database every 48 hours for this..
how? possible?
I think its a marketing ploy and not much more, but maybe its some thing to experiment with if you can find enough people who use the PT option.
Now I realise, there is a whole heap of other variables that might be causing this, and i know my tweaking is not infallable!!
But still, where i would expect to see a similar improvement, in similar conditions, it's not always there..
I just wonder this, because I know a lot of us use PT to crack the algo. But are our efforts actually being "recognised" every 48 hours????
The partners update on their own schedules. I just gave ineedhits.com a try to check them out. I signed up with 2 pages out of 5 new ones I had done for a client site late Thursday night Pacific Time. It might have been late enough to be Friday morning.
Friday mid-day I received a confirming email saying that the pages had been submitted by them to Ink. Early Saturday morning, those 2 pages showed up at Hotbot - less than 24 hours later. What was strange is that they had a Sept. 6th date, and I wondered because I had done a free submit first week of the month. But it wasn't the 5 pages I added to the site, only the 2 pages I paid for showed, so it obviously was not the free submit, it was the pages I paid for showing up overnight.
The pages showed at MSN Saturday, not AOL. Today, they are not only showing up at AOL, but ranking under several search terms - the ones targeted as well as a few additional ones. They're not yet showing with aol-UK. They're also showing up this evening (Sunday night) under search terms at MSN.
What's interesting is that search results are also showing now at HotBot, with an interesting correlation with the Lycos results, where these pages are "kicking butt" within a few weeks of doing my routine submissions. I'ts very interesting to watch and analyze the comparison of these results.
My reasoning was that no matter how good a service is, I'm leery of too much "concentration of power" in the hands of any one company. So I tried a company that was new to me, and a process that was started probably in the early hours Friday morning has borne fruit by Sunday night.
I can only conclude that Ink paid submit has some degree of dependency on when the particular company I submit through actually makes the submission of the pages to Ink, as well as the partner update schedules. Being the nervous type, I appreciated having the confirmation of the submission actually having been made within hours.
look at the inktomi paid inclusion program on the top of the page.
I took no package at all, zechariah. I've always done my submissions by hand, as well as checking rankings by hand, since I enjoy the "slot-machine" kick of seeing my submissions live. I also use checking rankings by hand to evaluate mine against those of the competition.
I used only their Inktomi submit service, and assume it's OK to post the URL, since it's only one way out of many to submit to Ink: [ink.ineedhits.com...]
To be perfectly honest, I don't think the link to the Ink submit service is obvious enough on their site. I gave it a try to compare service features, which I consider a very important point in deciding on any service, whether it's dealing with purchases, web hosts, etc. I've recently been doing pre-sales inquiries to web hosts, seeking out options, and it's amazing how many there's no response from at all. Customer support is a highly critical factor, which is why I appreciated the fact so much that I got confirmation from ineedhits that the Ink submission had actually been made.
mr_dredd, how often the pages are spidered (every 48 hours) is not necessarily indicative of how ofen the partner sites update. That's strictly up to the schedules of the individual partners, which varies. I of course cannot have any control or choice in that matter. What I just learned, though, is that the frequency and reliability of the paid submissions of the Inktomi providers who we do the paid submissions through can be a significant factor.
No matter what the submitting schedule, appearing in results will still depend on the schedule of the individual partners. I might have just hit it lucky right before regularly scheduled updates this weekend. All I know is that it only took a couple of days to see something tangible that I can work with very quickly.
Just as a submission partner zechariah, none other that I know of. I guess it was either luck with timing, or, ummm...ahem... "talent" LOL.
What I'm thinking is that even though we make and pay for a submission request, there may be a time factor between the time we submit our inclusion request to one of Ink's inclusion partners and the time they actually make the entry of our pages into the Ink database. I could be wrong, but this is just based on my personal understanding of batch processing.
>it's just a rush isn't it
Oh, yes - it sure is! Just in case of a fluke having occurred, there are a few more pages in that group to submit, which I'll be doing, so I'll be watching closely to see if it was just fortuitous timing with the update schedule, or actually related to the timeliness of the Ink submission partner to the Ink database. This week should tell.
