Forum Moderators: open
That's MSN, Hotbot is worse. I'm befuddled.
I just think we have to let it settle before we can draw any conclusions.
I think we just have to assume, and I havent seen any evidence against it, that paid pages get no advantageous or disadvantageous treatment, apart from guaranteed inclusion in the databases and 48 hour updating in the general Inktomi database.
That being the case, index pages are raising in SERP's regardless of whether they or other pages from the site are paid or not.
You are right on all points as far as I know.
Ink definitely is giving more relevance to all index pages.
Actually, all engines seem to be doing this with most of them doing this for along time now.
But we're finding that our pages are not getting picked up by the free submit. Is this what you're talking about or are you letting Ink spiders pick your stuff up on their own?
Pages submitted the free way or the paid way are all treated the same. Only difference is the paid get respidered every 2 days.
I have never paid, and yes, free submits still get in with no problem. The key is that they better have links coming in to them from other sites.
Looksmart listings seem to help big time with this.
AND, you just wait one to two months to get listed the free way. That is the only difference.
Again, as long as the free way works, why not? MyasWell use it til it does not. :)
Wasn't that supposed to be an Ink problem that went away when the paid listing gets indexed evey 48 hrs?
There are posts here that seem to be saying new free submissions to Ink are fine... no problems at all, just be prepared to wait.
I'm getting mixed signals... or am I getting my forums confused?
Make sure the page has incoming links and it stands a good chance of sticking.
Just have to keep watch on the pages.
Having just re-read this thread it does seem a bit confussing. Here's the "real story" - paying for you listings is the only insurance against being dropped for the INK DB. But it's no guarantee you will do well with INK.
Some people have had some success with the INK free submit and some people have had a few pages picked up via spidering. The results of all methods outside of paying are spotty at best.
Here's one golden nugget to hang on to - it seems it's not just link popularity to the site you want listed, but also to the page you want listed.
As far as free submission to INK - we don't do it anymore. We now cross link with sites (of ours) that are indexed into INK. It's slow, but we have had one whole site picked up and about 65 pages on another
-s-
That seems to work much better than submitting directly, though can't compare it to the pay for inclusion, haven't tried that yet.
>>As far as free submission to INK - we don't do it anymore. We now cross link with sites (of ours) that are indexed into INK. <<
Are you referring to pages that you free submitted at some point and are in the database, or to paid INK pages?
Jill
-s-
Untill this afternoon I was having GREAT luck with my paid PT pages. They took sites from (not found) to top 5 spots for good KW.
I check hotbot for my main site this am and it was still #3 for my main KW and now it's GONE!! the url doesn't even exsite in hotbot nor do any of my PT pages!!!
Ditto
We'll just have to see..
Like the rest of us, that's a question you ae going to have to answer for yourself. If it remains as is, the service has benefits. But with INK's stock doing a dumpster dive and other related stuff you should consider spending only what you can lose.
Sorry that's not much help...
-s-
At the time I heard Inktomi announce this 30-day be linked or vanish rule, they also said that they were "onto link circles and stuff like that," but I never got clarification about that.
In addition, Inktomi has a link algo and a link relevance algo (they look even at the context of a link on a page).
Inktomi maintains a "Web map," which is a map of as much of the web as they can crawl... much larger than the database they return on search. So if you check for links to your site, say on HotBot, and you don't find any, that doesn't mean you don't have any external links... it just means that you don't have any in the HotBot database that's returned to users.
Now, here's the question(s)...
When Inktomi crawls a paid submission page, as I understand it, they don't follow its links to anywhere else... they just index that page, or at least that's what they say. Does this mean that even if they crawl the page every 48 hrs, if it has no incoming external links, it might just be sitting in the Web map database, but not being returned to users?
Also, unless they really do follow the links, how do they maintain their Web map and determine link popularity?
And what about links from the page... if they do follow links for use in the Web map, do the links (from a paid page) determine if another page stays in? In other words, do the links from a paid page have the same effect (of keeping in another page) as do the links from an unpaid page, or does the act of paying for this page to be crawled neutralize the rest of its effect in ranking?
Sorry for long rambling post... things I've been wondering about for a while.
