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2:18 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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pages have dropped and i have not been able to get them back in, but scooter visits them on a regular basis, am i banned?

thanx,
jr

3:19 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Have all your pages dropped or just some of them?
3:31 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Hi jrjr,

If you want an honest answer I would say yes, you're banned.

If your domain is the one I think it is you have *no* pages in AV at all. If the pages you submitted to AV are the same as the ones listed in Google then I am *sure* you are banned.

As to seeing Scooter visit, is this only after you submit, he will still come to check for 404's.

This isn't intended as a criticism of your site or your promotional tactics, just the simple fact that AV does not like these type of pages.

3:50 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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seth- in one instance some of pages have dropped and then the rest followed. in the other, they all dropped at once.

NFFC- can you email me which domain you are referring too, and why the comparison with google?
jordan@1-800communications.com
thanx,
-jr

4:55 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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It definitely sounds like you are banned. And from what NFFC has said (since I haven't seen the pages myself), it is probably due to tactics that AV considers spam (hidden text, machine generated doorways, etc.) The only way to reverse this (without changing your domain and IP) is by getting rid of all your offending pages and emailing AV to let them know you took care of the problem.
5:40 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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thanx seth! seems as though there really is no way to get doorways to stay in av? you guys have any opinions on this?

-jr

6:44 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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It is definitely possible to get doorways to stick, you just have to be on your best behavior when creating them. You need to spend a little extra time on your doorway. give it somewhat unique content (no more than 60% of the content can match another page) And don't use any shorcuts (no hidden text, no doorway templates, etc...). Also try to keep all other doorways away from scooter by using a robot.txt file.
7:08 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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"Also try to keep all other doorways away from scooter by using a robot.txt file."

seth,
i have heard of this before. what exactly would this command do and why would it benefit me? where do i insert it? does it effect my status w/other engines?

thanx!
-jr

8:21 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Check out this robot text help file [aim-pro.com]. It should tell you everything you need to know
8:24 pm on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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thanx!!
10:22 pm on Aug 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Seth,

"Also try to keep all other doorways away from scooter by using a robot.txt file."

So for doorways, the best thing to do would be to optimize them for each engine, and keep all the other robots away?

Thanks,
2M

12:07 am on Sep 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

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2_much-

You have to use it at your own discretion (after all it's kinda nice to find a page optimized for 1 engine rank well in others), but if you fall into any of the following categories, it would definitely be a good idea.

1. optimize the same content for different engines
2. use tactics that aren't accepted by all engines
3. use a relativley large amount of doorways
4. have had trouble with banning in the past

4:18 pm on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

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In regards to the robots.txt how relevant would it be to use ti when using a cloaking script that has specific directories setup for specific engines?

Thanks

4:23 pm on Sep 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

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websurfer-

robot.txt probably aren't needed if your using cloaking to serve different pages to different engines

1:49 pm on Sep 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

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This is here say, take it for what it's worth. I have no idea if this works or not. Source reliable. "put in a htaccess file that bans alta from your site and you maybe purged from the ban list".
2:07 pm on Sep 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

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brett,
what is an htaccess file?

-jr

2:15 pm on Sep 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

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A nice tutorial on access control via htaccess: [dslky.com]
2:20 pm on Sep 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

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brett,
i must say, YOU ARE THE MAN!
-jr