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70,000 Brits Making a living on eBay

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BeeDeeDubbleU

9:53 am on Feb 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have just read that more than 70,000 Brits are making at least 25% of their income on eBay. I wonder if the taxman is reading this ;)

Iguana

9:55 am on Feb 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I wonder who invented that statistic?

BeeDeeDubbleU

10:12 am on Feb 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It must be true. It was reported in Today's Scotsman newspaper. Everyone knows the "Hoots mon" does not tell lies.

phantombookman

10:14 am on Feb 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The Inland Revenue are building an entire department to set about ebay. Staff are currently being recruited and trained for it

Iguana

10:16 am on Feb 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You're right, it must be true.

was it a slow news day yesterday?

Wonderstuff

7:12 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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70,000 seems a lot! That's half the population of the Isle of Wight.

BeeDeeDubbleU

10:39 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is the Isle of Wight offshore. Don't they have to pay tax there?

PhraSEOlogy

11:23 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I wouldn't suprise me if some of those people were among the nearly 1 million unemployed. If ya cant find a job then make some pocket money on ebay. GOOD LUCK to them all!

The Inland Revenue has little or no chance of shutting them all down.

P.S. I used to pay 58% tax in the UK so I am not a big fan of the UK tax system.

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:30 am on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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GOOD LUCK to them all!

As one who pays all my taxes I am afraid that I cannot agree. Most of these people have other jobs and they can well afford to pay ther taxes, oh ... and I wish I had the problem of having to pay 58% tax ;)

Matt Probert

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Is the Isle of Wight offshore. Don't they have to pay tax there?

ROTFL!

Not quite. It is over the water, but it's not a tax haven! It is however a standard British joke about "going abroad" to the Isle of Wight.

Matt

Wonderstuff

3:33 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Apologies to those from the Isle of Wight.

Back to the main topic - Google (Adsense) forces webmasters to declare where tax will be paid, if not in the US. Does eBay do the same? Perhaps it should (if not).

walkman

3:51 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)



>> I used to pay 58% tax in the UK so I am not a big fan of the UK tax system.

58%? Holy cow!

JudgeJeffries

3:40 am on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The rock Stars all left for France in the seventies. Tax could be 98% then.

walkman

4:14 am on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)



Wow! Apparently they were about 95% back then--at leas for the mega rich. I hope they learned the lesson.

searching led me to this:
Taxman by George Harrison
"Let me tell you how it will be;
There's one for you, nineteen for me.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman."

BeeDeeDubbleU

9:58 am on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That's why Rod the Mod fled to the US (and I don't mean moderator).

oddsod

11:38 am on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I used to pay 58% tax in the UK so I am not a big fan of the UK tax system.

The chances are that you paid much more but are unaware of how much you really contributed. Many taxes are carefully hidden... or not called taxes. If you operate as a company and you're a higher rate taxpayer you are likely paying about 90% of your earnings in tax. That's after "allowances". There are the obvious taxes: 19% Corporation Tax, 40% Income Tax (PAYE), 17.5% Value Added Tax (VAT), 23.8% National Insurance (ignore the name, it's a "tax") etc. There are also the business rates / stamp duty / Capital Gains/ DPR registration / congestion charge type of taxes. And all that excludes government imposed costs like the additional amounts you have to pay to your payroll company/accountant etc to negotiate the quagmire of regulations on your behalf - there are a lot of those. <snip>.

I wish I had the problem of having to pay 58% tax

Your wish has been granted. You just don't know it! :) After you pay all your income taxes do you pay VAT on petrol you buy? And airport tax when you go on holiday? What about insurance taxes, road taxes, TV tax, council tax....? Which is sad really as there is a good case for lower taxes [taxpayersalliance.com].

The Inland Revenue (with new, improved VAT teeth) can and will track down ebay traders. They already require Paypal to notify them of anyone receiving more than £4,500 in a year. The pretext is tracing money laudering, the real reason is to improve revenue collection. And Paypal has no option but to play ball. If you've already received close to £4,500 be prepared for an email soon.

[edited by: lawman at 5:35 pm (utc) on Feb. 14, 2006]
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Essex_boy

3:59 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thats interesting stuff thanks.

PhraSEOlogy

4:49 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think oddsod know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. When I said 58% tax, that was just direct taxes. I shudder to think what I really paid when you take into account VAT and all the things oddsodd mentioned.

Left the UK and came to the US. Paid $50,000 dollars tax on one years income but that was only about 30% of my total income. I dont mind paying taxes, I just hope that people trying to make a buck off ebay dont get hammered by the Inland Revenue - who already get a big chunk of change from the little guy.

oddsod

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I just hope that people trying to make a buck off ebay dont get hammered by the Inland Revenue

They will get hammered as the pressure on HM Treasury to find more money increases. The ones who get away lightly are the ones with big donations to political parties, who have highly paid directorships for worn out politicians, companies financing lobbying firms etc. They have a variety of ways of either not paying... or paying and recovering it via preferential (and highly profitable) contracts.

I shudder to think what I really paid when you take into account VAT and all the things oddsodd mentioned.

You should shudder even when dead because after you've paid all those taxes your heirs will probably have Inheritance Tax to pay as well ;)

<snip>

[edited by: lawman at 8:50 pm (utc) on Feb. 14, 2006]

aspdaddy

8:14 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why do you presume ebays are tax-dodgers? Ebay is a legitimate sales channel for SME's & cheaper startup costs than doing SEO/SEM.

oddsod

8:23 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why do you presume ebays are tax-dodgers

The Inland Revenue believes that everybody is a tax dodger. :) You really are presumed guilty till you can prove your innocence.

But, let's face it, while there are several SMEs who declare their entire eBay turnover and profit there are a lot of part-timers who don't. Like market traders, like window cleaners, they are part of the "underground economy" and therefore prime targets.

PhraSEOlogy

8:31 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The other thing that suprises me about making a living of ebay in the UK is the cost of living. I visited the UK recently and GAS (petrol) was about $12 a gallon and marlbro's were about $9 a pack! Beer was still a reasonable price (thank goodness).

PhraSEOlogy

8:43 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This discussion reminds me of a poem from my school days - it goes like this:

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
But leaves the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from the goose.

For US readers a "common" was an area of ground (rural areas) set aside for anyone to keep livestock.

Jay7

3:32 pm on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google (Adsense) forces webmasters to declare where tax will be paid, if not in the US.

Do they inform Inland Revenue about UK-based publishers? Do banks inform IR about income from Google? Any experience?

oddsod

4:57 pm on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google made a big deal recently about following local laws. You can safely assume that if IR asked for details they are likely to get them. Complete with breakdown of earnings from the start of the Adsense program and full Adwords spending info to boot. Throw in a money-laundering/terrorist type of boilerplate (which is an overreaction that's becoming quite common with many governments) and Google will give them copies of all your emails too. They'll have to. Staying clean is the only sensible recommendation anyone can make to you. Declare, and pay the tax!

Google are hardly likely to be as reticient about disclosing your details to your tax authority as they recently were about disclosing their search records/commercial secrets to every drive-by lawyer.

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:02 pm on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I just hope that people trying to make a buck off ebay dont get hammered by the Inland Revenue

Why ever not? Why should you support tax evasion just because they are doing it on ebay?

I don't make a lot of money but I pay my taxes and so should they. People making a living on eBay are not all "little guys". Some of them are BIG earners.

ronin

8:05 pm on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't make a living on eBay (or anything like) but I would be in favour of a flat tax rather than this incredibly complex tax regime that we currently live under.

Is a flat tax on the cards?

[edited by: ronin at 8:22 pm (utc) on Feb. 15, 2006]

walkman

8:17 pm on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)



>> I would be in favour of a flat tax.

it will never happen--at least not in Europe. Think of how much more the poorer ones would have to pay to get the same revenues. I know a married couple in England who have legally separated in order to get more money from the state. There's absolutely nothing with them, and both are able to work.

ronin

8:24 pm on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Think of how much more the poorer ones would have to pay to get the same revenues.

Eh? Surely if everyone is paying 25% tax and keeping 75% earnings, everyone is keeping three quarters of what they earn?

oddsod

8:58 pm on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> I would be in favour of a flat tax.

it will never happen--at least not in Europe.

Huh?

Flat tax revolution sweeping across Europe [washingtonpost.com]

well, across the smarter nations anyway!

Estonia was the first, adopting a 26 percent flat rate in 1994. Latvia and Lithuania followed in the mid-1990s, with 25 percent and 33 percent rates, respectively. Serbia was next; in 2003 it went with a 14 percent rate. Last year, it was Slovakia (19 percent) and Ukraine (13 percent). This year it's been Romania (16 percent) and Georgia, which boasts the lowest rate -- 12 percent.

And countries like Poland have joined them too.

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