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Laphroaig reduces percentage

Scottish Single Malt gets watered down.

         

pmkpmk

2:49 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As of recently, famous Islay Single Malt Laphroig will net be availabe in 43% bottling, but gets watered down to 40%. I just got the first of the 40% bottles in - but haven't opened it yet.

Anybody has a 40% bottle already and can report on taste differencies?

pmkpmk

9:16 pm on Nov 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I visited Japan once, and I tried the "Yamazaki Pure Malt Whisky" distilled by Suntory (which - to my understanding - fabricates almost EVERY commercially available drink alcoholic and non). It was the most expensive whisky I ever tried (extrapolated by the price of a single glass) and it tasted - well - like an average blend.

Leosghost

11:32 pm on Nov 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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used to deal suntory in grey markets ..vastly overated and overpriced ..like most products into japan ..especially cosmetics ..

bill

5:56 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The Suntory products get a lot of lip service in Japan and are priced outrageously. I was at a local snack bar last weekend and a bottle of Suntory was going for about US$120 and a 10yr. old Laphroaig was about half of that. I bought the cheap bottle. ;)

They usually drink the stuff in water anyway, so taste shouldn't be an issue for them. With an average 5/1 water/whisky ratio it breaks my heart when these places serve anything decent.

BeeDeeDubbleU

7:44 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Back in the 70's one of my neighbours was a manager in a local Scotch Whisky distillery. He had a party in his house at new year and he invited this Japanese guy from Suntory who happened to be visiting the distillery at the time. He brought a bottle with him. It was a long time ago but I seem to remember that it tasted OK and very much like a Scotch blend.

What I could not understand was why the distiller's (Ballantines) would allow him to visit their distillery at all then I found out that Suntory was buying large quantities of grain whisky from them and importing it to Japan to be used in their product. This was probably why it tasted OK.

Soon after this there was a furore in Scotland when they (Suntory) signed "Big Tam" (Sean Connery) to promote their products. For a while the guy was treated almost as a traitor here for doing this :)

bill

8:17 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Most of the Suntory products I've sampled would have a hard time giving Johnnie Walker Red or Black a run for their money. I guess they sell the blends with a higher percentage of Ballantine's for more money? ;)

I remember those Sean Connery commercials. Great stuff. Had them lining up to buy the stuff...literally.

pmkpmk

10:13 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sean Connery did Suntory Whisky commercials? This sounds so pretty much like "Lost in translation"...

rj87uk

5:26 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Lost in translation"... *sigh* Enough said about that.

On the subject I dont know much about whisky brands, blends and 'all of the above'. Is Southern Comfort considered as whiskey? Is Jack Daniels?

Anyway - Have a good weekend... I'll be on Vodka!

digitalghost

7:16 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jack Daniels is sour mash. No clue about Southern Comfort. Had it once. Too sweet for my taste.

As for blended whisky, I believe the only one I ever drink is Crown Royal. Much prefer single malts, cognac, brandy, etc.

Leosghost

9:32 pm on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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jack daniels is for putting behind your girls ears or her knees ..
whiskey is spelt just like that "whiskey" and where it's spelt like that is where the best comes from ..
we have been doing it for longer ..we do it better :))

tend to prefer armagnac to cognac also

pmkpmk

3:16 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Whiskey, Scotland, distilled twice (e.g. Glenfiddich)
Whisky, Ireland, distilled three times (e.g. Tullamore Dew)
Bourbon, USA, distilled once and filtered on charcoal (e.g. Jack Daniels)

Leosghost

11:36 pm on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PMKPMK ..please learn to spell whiskey ..look up "BUSHMILLS" for the real spelling and from whence it really comes ..

( just joking ..you do much better than I would in German ..but the spelling of whiskey is somewhat important ..as is where it comes from ) :))

pmkpmk

5:39 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Bushmills "Black Bush" is not bad - for Irish Whisky that is. My "initiation" into whisky was actually Tullamore Dew - I think it was on my 23nd or 24rd birthday (I come from a wine area and did not even drink beer until I was 21). I guess for ENJOYING whisk(e)y you need to reach a certain age - same goes for Cognac.

When it comes to Ireland, I like the "Connemara" best, which "incidentally" is the only Irish Single Malt.

BeeDeeDubbleU

10:18 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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we have been doing it for longer ..we do it better

As John McEnroe would say, "You cannot be serious!".

Leosghost

11:07 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PMK PMK ..for the last time... in Ireland It's spelt WHISKEY ...!

BDW ..you folks are cute imitators ..and you can't spell it either ;)))

iamlost

1:03 am on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When Irish eyes are smiling...

* We can thank Irish monks (sometime between the 6th and 12th centuries) for whiskey.
* We can forgive the Irish monks who brought their whiskey recipes while founding Scottish monasteries.
* We can blame the Scots (as we now do Americans) for strange spelling, strange pronunciation, and producing strange facsimilies of the true Uisce Beatha [water of life].
* We can note that Elizabeth I was quite partial to Irish Whiskey.
* We can note that the Scots used to bulk ship their knock-off whisky to Dublin to be bottled there as the much more valuable whiskey.
* We can note that the Irish pipes are condusive to a convivial evening in the pub while the Scottish pipes are ... not.

pmkpmk

8:30 am on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Leo: oh, right, NOW I am seeing what you are referring too. Yes, shame on me, I often swap the spelling. As a rule of thumb: whenever I talk about Whisk(e)y, I usually only talk about Scotch Whisky.

(And thus we saved this wonderful thread onto the 4th page)

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:54 am on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whenever I talk about Whisk(e)y, I usually only talk about Scotch Whisky.

Of course you do, just like the rest of the World ;)

No coincidence.

Leosghost

11:34 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Iamlost .. no you aren't you are spot on ..;)

BDW taking adavantage of the anglophonically linguistically challenged is ... a damn good idea when it's the English in the cross hairs ..;))

One of my best friends was an very senior inspector of distilleries for the customs services in Scotland ..he preferred "Irish"..

My case rests ..

its like cognac and armagnac ;)..

I also like polish pure etc( nearest thing to moonshine or lightening or potcheen )..as long it evaporates almost as fast as one can drink it I like any white spirit with the correct formulation ..

(sometime between the 6th and 12th centuries)

it's somewhat flou due to being the longest ( maybe ..but they were distracted at the time so cant swear to it ) hangover in history ..

the rest of Europe called it the "dark ages" ..

we called it " dont open the blouiddy curtins till me head stops hurtin " ..;)

BeeDeeDubbleU

7:58 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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... or shut your eyes or you'll bleed to death :)

potcheen? Since we are spelling conscious isn't it Poteen?

Leosghost

2:22 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Guilty as charged BDW ..:)
( my excuse is inebriation at the time of posting resulted in my posting the phonetic spelling for English ..that and listening to BBC radio whilst watching German TV and speaking french with my wife ..and typing on this azerty keyboard ~=o).

pmkpmk

5:16 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Whisky pronounciation guide: [dcs.ed.ac.uk...]

rj87uk

4:08 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have a question, Im going to meet my GF's parents for the first time and I need to get her dad something. I know he likes Irish whisky... Do I just walk into a shop and go 'Bottle of that Irish whisky... *points to random bottle*' Or is there a better way?

Where to get it from?
What good names are there?

Man, I dont even know the difference of Scots Whiskey & Irish whiskey!

pmkpmk

4:15 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Irish Whiskey is usually a "blend" - a mixture of different whiskies. Actually buying Irish Whiskey is easier than buying Scottish whisky. But the same rule of thumb applies: the more expensive the bottle is, the better it is.

Bushmills is quite sophisticated. So is Connemara, which actually is the only Irish single malt (an therefore I would not recommend it for your occasion since people who like Irish Whiskey are usually not the ones who appreciate Single Malts).

As always with presents for parents in law (to be), don't overdo it! Have a look at the pricerange and select one from the lower-middle or upper-lowend region. Don't just go for themost expensive one.

But again - Irish Whiskey is a rather easy buy.

On a sidenote: can't you girlfriend just tell you the name of the most empty bottle in her fathers cupboard?

BeeDeeDubbleU

5:21 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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RJ as a Scot you should be ashamed of yourself. Get him a bottle of Scotch and re-educate him.

And since it's your first visit don't eat baked beans or mushy peas before you go ;)

balam

5:28 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Rare whisky goes on sale for 14,000 pounds a bottle [news.yahoo.com]

If more expensive = better a drink (except in Japan), then there's a bunch of droolling folk checking their bank accounts at the moment, yes?

<added>
Regarding pmkpmk's link to a pronunciation guide, has anyone gotten any of the files to actually play on their machine? I'm still curious as to how you pronounce "Laphroaig."
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BeeDeeDubbleU

6:09 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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La Froyg will be close enough.

pmkpmk

6:14 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I heard it mention that it gets pronounced in an almost French-like way: La Froyiiiiiiiigh

Old_Honky

12:37 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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foxy voice pronounces it
"la frow egg"
Which is how I think of it, (fondly I might add).

balam

5:13 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps earlier my machine was feeling lazy, but now the audio files at the pronunciation guide are working... Seems BeeDeeDubbleU's "spelling" is an excellent, uh... "translation."

"La Froyg" rhymes with "Freud," as in Sigmund.

<pondering>
Is it a sin, given there's some Scottish blood in my veins, that my experience with whisk(e)y is limited to a couple of capfulls in my tea, in the colder months, to keep it "warm?"
</pondering>

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:22 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"La Froyg" rhymes with "Freud," as in Sigmund.

LOL.

I couldn't think of any other word ending in "oig" to illustrate this either. Perhaps there isn't one? (apart from the name Doig, which is also Scottish).

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