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subtotal v.s. sub-total

what is the correct spelling?

         

fashezee

5:10 pm on Sep 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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subtotal v.s. sub-total
I would think sub-total? no?

lawman

5:25 pm on Sep 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No.

fashezee

5:31 pm on Sep 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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so you would use subtotal?

lawman

5:38 pm on Sep 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes.

sonny

6:26 pm on Sep 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would totally sub subtotal for sub-total!

mattglet

3:38 am on Sep 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree it's one word (subtotal).

vincevincevince

8:44 am on Sep 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sub-total

fashezee

11:29 am on Sep 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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back to square one!?

please post some supporting facts regarding your claims!

Sanenet

2:00 pm on Sep 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[google.com...] vs [google.com...]

That's a new one:

Removal of the corpus, leaving the cervix in situ.

vincevincevince

7:16 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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16.6M for sub-total vs. 13M for subtotal on G - not proof but...

tomda

1:23 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It is subtotal.
Claim: I am usually typing official governmental documents (such as budgets) and we always use subtotal.

moltar

3:10 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google shows:

subtotal -- 14,800,000
"sub-total" -- 4,380,000 ("sub-total" also matches "sub total")

I always go with what people use most. Who cares what's "correct" according to the dictionary. Dictionaries are composed according to how people speak. Language adopts. Maybe it was sub total long ago. Then people droped the space and it became just subtotal.

Take E-mail for example. For many years it was hyphenated, but now more people use it without the hyphen than with. Because it's annoying to type in "-" every time.

fashezee

12:12 am on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Brett?

lawman

12:24 am on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You mean Tabke? The 1967 Minnesota State Spelling Bee Champeen?

fashezee

12:36 am on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"The 1967 Minnesota State Spelling Bee Champeen?"
...you serious? nice!

but i'm going with: subtotal
why waste a bite!

supermanjnk

2:32 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Do you see how they condescend to us with their 'subtitles'?"

anyway I would say subtitle.

sonny

3:08 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I googled: "subtotal or sub-total" and this thread is already number 2. Ha!

Sanenet

11:07 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok then:

[askoxford.com...]

"sub-total" returns "no results for this search".

QED, indeed ;)

fashezee

11:20 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To dash or not to dash?
will we ever know...

digitalghost

4:18 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>To dash or not to dash

Well, I'd go with the OED on this one. If I can find the word in the dictionary I use that version. Sub-zero and sub-aqua get a hyphen. Subgroup, subheading, subtotal and subhuman don't. Sub-plot, well, yeah. ;)

I enjoy the logomachy, but it is a safe bet to side with the OED. And as for logomachy, I use that if we're fighting about words, and flyting if we're fighting with words. Those 16th-century Scottish poets were excellent flyters, though they may have suffered from logorrhea.

In any event, adding a hyphen won't get you accused of murdering the language unless you run across the likes of John Dryden. He seemed to think he knew exactly where all the jots and tittles were supposed to be. John Hopkins and Thomas Sternhold didn't agree, but that should give you some insight into how far back logomachy goes, and how difficult it is to gain universal acceptance for matters regarding spelling and word meanings...

lgn1

6:48 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Words evolve.

Originally it was sub total
as the term got more common it became sub-total
finally, as common usage it became one word subtotal

Check some old dictionaries and you will see most common two word descriptions become one word.

fashezee

7:23 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Words evolve."

interesting...
when will <snip> earn it's dash and eventually become one?

[edited by: lawman at 7:24 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2005]