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IBM Dumping the PC?

Could it be? Are they getting out of the market?

         

grelmar

6:42 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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TechNewsWorld [technewsworld.com]

Wired [wired.com]

Globe and Mail [globetechnology.com]

I had to read it from three different sources before I believed it. I know they've outsourced manufacture... But for some reason it bothers me to think of IBM abondoning the PC market altogether. When I was a kid, playing on Sinclairs and Apple IIs, and Trash 80s, we all envied the kid who had the REAL computer, an IBM PC.

*sigh* Oh well.

SEOMike

7:50 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I can't believe it. As one of the kids with a "real" computer growing up (PC XT Cost close to $5k w/ the math coprocessor and TWO floppys!) I sure will miss IBM playing the PC game!

httpwebwitch

9:04 pm on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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wow.

me too. I am the son of an IBM veteran, and my dad always had the latest IBM machines when we were growing up. We had the portable PCjr, the one they advertised with a charlie chaplin look-alike. we upgraded through the AT and the XT... My childhood memories include formatting my grade 3 book reports on a green monochrome screen, bringing them into the IBM office to print them on the "good" dot matrix printer. I had such fun ripping the edges off that paper.

I'm surprised by this. The Thinkpad is an excellent machine. Maybe IBM just wants to retire the brand and concentrate on high-volume storage and military-grade hardware

vkaryl

10:39 pm on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oy - you guys REALLY make me feel old....

We didn't HAVE computers growing up.

httpwebwitch

4:33 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, I'm not really that old. I just started early, and was begat from nerdy parents. My mom programmed COBOL on punch cards, and my dad was one of those pocket-protected guys you see in black-and-white photos from the 1950s replacing vaccuum tubes in a room-sized machine.

IBM's great heyday of the 70s + 80s was a corporate culture to which I was but a young observer. Going to the IBM family picnics, wearing IBM t-shirts, going to IBM softball games (they never won, not against teams like Toyota or Electrohome)

It's sad to see what has happened to IBM. The former sites of IBM's massive research facilities are like Michael Moore's depiction of Flint MI.

Essex_boy

7:55 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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When I was in my teens I recall IBM as being the trend setters. They were the machines you drooled over in the PC shops.

This is a black day.

lawman

1:43 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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vkaryl predates the abacus. :)

EBear

3:10 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oy - you guys REALLY make me feel old....
We didn't HAVE computers growing up.

I didn't grow up UNTIL I had a computer :)

vkaryl

4:37 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmph. lawman, I will have you know that I can STILL throw the beads quite well thank you - AND I can still manage a slide rule if I have to (though I'd REALLY rather not!)

However, it's threads like this one that do make me feel somewhat aged (since normally I DO NOT feel my age!), because most of you are my daughter's age or probably younger - SHE didn't have a computer growing up either! And not because we couldn't afford it, just that they weren't "common stock" for teens in our area in the mid-80s.... Only one of the kids who sat around my coffee table playing AD&D after school had a machine at home and he WAS a nerd, as were his parents.

I grew into the computer age in 1984 - my daughter graduated from HS in 1985.... and actually didn't get her first computer until she married in 1992 (because she wasn't living at home, and didn't have the money for BOTH a car and a computer!)

grelmar

3:44 pm on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's official.

Lenovo's chairman Liu Chuanzhi said Lenovo is taking over IBM's desktop PC business, including research and development and manufacturing. The acquisition would make Lenovo the third-largest PC company in the world, he said.

The Globe and Mail [globetechnology.com]

*sigh*

snowman

4:32 pm on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sure I still remember my first PC, before switching to Mac.

8086. Dos 6. Installed a 3.5" drive and a huge 8.6 megabyte Segate hard drive. Upgraded the motherboard to a 12 Mhz '286, and then ordered a '287 coprocessor. That made the monochrome graphics (2 meg EGA card) just fly on certain programs.

Later upgraded to a 25 MHz '386 with a whopping 8 meg of RAM and a VGA card.

It's all on the junk heap now, worthless and useless. This can't be such a suprise?

Look at how cheap Pentium based PCs have become. How can anyone stay in business these days trying to sell them? It's been such a race to the bottom for so long.

Dell and Apple remain viable. Dell builds the hardware affordably for Windoze users, and Apple engineers both the hardware and the software making one helluva computer!

steve40

4:57 pm on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I notice they are not dropping the server market
that is where the real money is nowdays

I have payed close to $100,000 for 1 server and nobody batted an eye but those same people would question paying extra $50 to buy better machines for the desktop

I think when HP bought Compaq the desktop market became that much harder to compete in

I do wonder if its a bad move from some points though due to the ongoing costs of desktop support and the tighter integration available server - desktop support

It is a shame to see though
steve

shigamoto

11:13 pm on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ah my first computer was an IBM.. Sure gonna miss them. Worried about the Thinkpads if they are sold too will they loose in quality? Probably..

vkaryl

11:19 pm on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I read elsewhere that the ThinkPad line has already been Sold! [theregister.com]

[Edit: hmm. Doesn't really say that after all. What you get for believing without actually reading the whole thing. There may be hope....]

Macro

10:24 am on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's about time. I've spent a large part of my working life in the computer industry. Putting together your average home or office PC is best done by cheap labour and automation. That's why Dell is so successful. They deserve all their success for showing the world how it should be done. But, to prevent them becoming a Microsoft, they need at least one major competitor, and HP/Compaq, PB etc just aren't it. A low cost country (around where most of the components are made anyway) is the best place - both geographically and economically - for the low tech job of assembling PCs.

So here's wishing them a prosperous New Year and a long and prosperous future with quality, low cost PCs for us, a credible competition for Dell, and freeing a lot of so-called PC assemblers in the west (most of whom know very little more than how to hold a screwdriver ARGGGHHH) from pursuing other careers instead of doing component assembly and trying to fob it off to the consumer as a "quality PC". (Even if they are working for minimum wages they are getting more than the job is worth - they really are better employed elsewhere).

So, good luck to Lenovo.

Other thread where I've commented on these "pretend" "engineers" [webmasterworld.com]