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Fainting Goats

A Tennessee Specialty

         

digitalghost

2:33 am on Aug 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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After I moved into the new place I decided I needed to raise some interesting critters. These goats fit the bill:

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Make sure to watch the video. Just bought a pregant doe and a wether. Should make the next July 4th BBQ memorable.

mivox

9:32 pm on Aug 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Do they have a lot of meat on them? Do they give a lot of milk? Are they actually productive goats outside their freak value?

Get a good livestock guard dog, or build a very good fence... I don't think 'playing dead' works with the sort of predators that are inclined to go after goats. ;)

digitalghost

10:02 pm on Aug 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A 5 to 6 month old kid dresses out at about 35-40 pounds. I have enough dogs to keep the coyotes at bay while I grab a rifle. ;)

Next BBQ, chevon is on the menu! Be sure to bring a moose...

mivox

10:48 pm on Aug 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How 'bout you bring the goat here? Weighs a lot less than a moose... I don't want to have to pay the oversize baggage fee. ;)

vkaryl

11:33 pm on Aug 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"North to Alaska" - yup, we really need to head for mivox's place. I'll bring the elk....

AAnnAArchy

7:16 am on Aug 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yuk, how can you eat something you've raised? Don't get me wrong, I'm a meat-eater, I just can't eat an animal I know. It would be like eating one of my dogs.

digitalghost

1:32 pm on Aug 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Yuk, how can you eat something you've raised?

Guess I got past that when I was young. Sunday supper meant killing two chickens. Want bacon with those eggs? Kill a hog. My grandma had her pets though, and those were never taken for food.

Personally, I feel better taking my own cow for meat than I do going to the store and buying steaks. I know that my cow had prime pasture, freedom to move, proper shelter and excellent care.

So to answer your question:

>>Yuk, how can you eat something you've raised?

I use a knife and a fork. :)

mivox

8:24 pm on Aug 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yep, as long as I know the animal was raised with plenty of room to roam, without hormones or steroids, and killed humanely, I'd much rather eat that than an animal raised in a stockyard and sent through a commercial meat-packing plant...

knife and a fork

Unless it's ribs or a drumstick, then I'd use my fingers.

vkaryl

2:24 am on Aug 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's usually my main point when people get in my face over hunting....

We eat what we kill (one bullet mostly, too!) after field-dressing it, and getting it home clean then butchering it. Wild meat is far better healthwise than the stuff you buy in the market.

Besides which, elk is so far superior to beef there's just no comparison, and moose is that good too. I'm a bit less enthused over venison, because so many western mule deer are tough no matter how old or how you cook the meat (a function of the heat and drought I would assume, because 20 years + ago it was quite different in both flavor and tenderness).

About the only game animal I'd prefer NOT to eat is western Rio Grande turkey - now talk about TOUGH....

AAnnAArchy

6:50 am on Aug 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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vkaryl <<We eat what we kill (one bullet mostly, too!) after field-dressing it, and getting it home clean then butchering it. Wild meat is far better healthwise than the stuff you buy in the market.>>

That's different than raising it and then killing it. I guess I become too attached to animals. I know I wouldn't be able to kill anything that I'd fed, sheltered and named.

Plus, I'm a sissy who doesn't like guns, but that's besides the point. I still like my dinner to be strangers.

mivox

8:21 pm on Aug 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My mom and stepdad could never kill our animals either... when they decided it was time for our three geese to go, they gave one to the friend who butchered them for us. So, if your main issue is not being able to kill the animals, there's always the possibility of finding someone willing to process them in exchange for some meat.

vkaryl

11:04 pm on Aug 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, in this day and age it's rather more difficult to find people like me and my husband (who grew up raising animals for meat, butchering, etc. and is still unaffected by it) than it is to find those whose only contact with meat is within plastic at the market.

I don't know that that's BAD, just leaves some folks alienated from "life" in a way....

AAnnAArchy

7:07 am on Aug 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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vkaryl <<I don't know that that's BAD, just leaves some folks alienated from "life" in a way....>>

Yes, I prefer buying my meat wrapped in plastic, but that's because I couldn't stand killing anything. Actually, I prefer my meat wrapped in paper, but I'm sure that's not the point you were making anyway. I grew up in the suburbs, with a dog. It would've been illegal for us to raise and kill our food.

I'm pretty sure the four dogs, six parrots, cat and the amazing Oranda who can't swim, keep me connected to life. ;)

vkaryl

5:46 pm on Aug 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wasn't really my meaning, and wasn't pointed at you specifically. But I don't think there's a real need to pursue that further. One of those "don't go there" topics, I'm pretty sure.

AAnnAArchy

6:29 pm on Aug 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I took a class at our local agricultural community college when I was a kid that introduced us to all of the animals that were being raised for and as food, if that helps. :)

What I was getting at was that I'm well aware of all of the issues surrounding this discussion, I just have trouble understanding how people can mentally tell the difference between their housepets and their animals who are raised as food. Once I name something, I can't think of it as anything other than a pal. I don't have any problem hearing other points of view. This isn't religion or politics for me, just an "I don't get it" sort of thing. Kind of like how I don't get how half of my friends hate cilantro, when I love it.

mivox

7:45 pm on Aug 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You know people who hate cilantro? That's terrible! ;)

A lot of people I know specifically name their meat animals things like Thanksgiving and Christmas (for a pair of turkeys), or Bacon, Ribeye, etc. People I know who raise chickens for meat just don't name them at all. And they don't let their cows in the house with their dogs and cats. ;)

OTOH, I had some elderly neighbors in Oregon who'd had a pair of pet cows for years, because they became pets, and I think I'd have to hire (or bribe) someone to do the killing, but once it's done there's no sense letting good meat go to waste, so the eating wouldn't pose any particular problem.