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engine

1:59 pm on Jun 24, 2020 (gmt 0)

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After over 80-years in the camera business, the famous Olympus brand is selling its camera business to a private equity firm.
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I have a couple of Olympus cameras in the back of a cupboard, and when they were in use they were very good.

not2easy

2:44 pm on Jun 24, 2020 (gmt 0)

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There will be a round of speculative collectors, but since there will be no new Olympus brand products I wouldn't think there is a huge demand. Prices today are dropping. We have a few oldies, the most recent one fell off a yard cart and got mowed to shreds. It was a little pocket point and shoot. Limited but reliable.

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3:21 pm on Jun 24, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if these cameras I have are worth anything? They are film cameras. They are not high-end, so a pro is unlikely to be interested, but they are decent SLRs. I might even have some lenses.

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3:33 pm on Jun 24, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Pros are the only folks who might be interested imho, not many want an old film camera for snapshots, not since phone cameras upped their standards. Maybe for a prop? I know someone who is working with film cameras, he has some old Fuji and Olympus models, Minoltas also. If you want to get an idea of interest, check eBay - that is where folks hunt. It is a supply/demand situation and there are thousands to choose from so the model number and condition can make a difference.

tangor

7:21 am on Jun 26, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I loved my Olympus stuff back in the day. Ah... the memories. :)

JorgeV

9:36 am on Jun 26, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

My first "digital" camera was an Olympus , it was waterproof !

topr8

12:19 am on Jun 27, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if these cameras I have are worth anything? They are film cameras.


Pros are the only folks who might be interested imho, not many want an old film camera for snapshots


actually i beg to differ!

[my opinion is pre covid - but i'm sure things will be back to normal in the next year or so]

there is considerable interest in old film cameras, and ebay is not the only place, in actual fact ebay is a terrible place to buy old cameras, for many reasons which are mostly obvious. It is a great source for many things and has put many antique/vintage traders/dealers out of business for that reason, but not in this case.

i know quite a few people who do a very nice trade in old, film cameras, old lenses and so forth - and amazingly, old polaroid cameras too.

obviously, like everything, as they say it is location, location, location.(in a b&m sense)

there is zero pro interest in fact, as all pro photography is digital because it has to be, as images are uploaded in realtime straight to the newspaper or mag or to AP or Reuters etc.

which is not to say pro photographers aren't interested in film but if they are, it isn't for work.

Perhaps maybe a few fringe artists are also working with film, even the occasional pro photographer ... but they are few and far between.

However there is significant interest in old film cameras among photography students and trendy young kids, just for the fun of it, there is a generation of people fascinated by film and 'old fashioned' cameras!

i'm not suggesting that old film cameras are worth what was initially paid for them (especially if they were very high end) but there is absolutely a thriving second hand market for them.

phranque

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what is typically the shortest turnaround on color print film processing these days?

phranque

2:31 am on Jun 27, 2020 (gmt 0)

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btw that PE firm previously bought VAIO from Sony.

Robert Charlton

12:01 pm on Jun 29, 2020 (gmt 0)

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what is typically the shortest turnaround on color print film processing these days?
phranque, are you thinking of SoCal area where you live, or would a place like Oakland work for you. using US Mail?

I only use professional labs, and it's been a while. My guess is that small local drug stores no longer offer processing and prints, but camera stores, large chains like CVC, Target, and Costco probably have arrangements with production style wholesale labs. Costco has a reputation of deilivering consistent results, because satisfaction is guaranteed and reprints are expensive... so it's perhaps a good place to get large prints. I've seen a bunch that a friend has had done there, and they're OK, but not what I would call gallery quality prints.

For me, dealing with a custom lab instead of a place like CVS is day and night... but you do pay for it.

A local custom film lab has opened in Oakland, and old SF lab purchased by the workers and moved to Oakland. They offer chemical "dunk" processing, and either chromagenic color prints or scan and digital prints. I've been talking with them on and off since the beginning of the year, mainly about scanning some of my old work, as my scanner sucks for 35mm. But they've been affected by lockdown, and I don't feel like sending my most valuable originals to them via the US mail... Eventually they're on my short list of Bay Area labs to try.

The lab offers pos & neg color processing, b&w, and digital scanning. Prices are per 35mm roll...
- $7.00/roll, processing C41, E6, B&W - am not sure about turnaround... it's probably like getting indexed in Google, depending on when in their cycle you dovetail with them. I'm sure they offer fast turnaround for not much extra. They also have options like push-pull processing, etc.

Scanning in a custom lab gets into a bewildering range of choices, including scanner quality, scan size, and drum or Imacon options. A lot also depends on who does what Photoshop work. Range of scanning is $.75 to, say, $1.25 if you use a place that then sends your originals to India or Texas.

In a pro lab, prints can be either digital or chromogenic. and those too have a range of sizes. A lot depends whether you even want prints, and, if so, what sizes. I've been seeing some color print work that friends are doing in their studios, with custom papers, pigment formulations, etc... just the way some fine art painters choose their material... and that can take a lot of playing around.

OTH, Costco offers 20x30 prints for $9.99, which is an absolute steal, if you give them a calibrated digital file, and if you're happy with what they give you.

Describe more what your needs are and I can probably make suggestions. Almost all of my work... film, video, and stills... is basically analogue, and it's been frustrating not to show it.

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my son has become interested in analog photography, both 35mm slr and 35mm disposable, mostly snapshot-type stuff.
costco offers nothing for analog photoprocessing.
ditto with drug store chains.
"wallyworld" is 2 week turnaround.

Robert Charlton

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phranque, sorry I wasn't clear abt the processing. You've got to take the film to a film lab, and maybe get it scanned there, outputting either to the cloud, an external drive, or an optical disk. You then edit the digital files, and take an edited file to a place like Costco or a print house, making sure you've set it up with the right color space for their printer. I'd do a test before making any quantity prints. You could also get chromagenic (chemical) prints at some custom labs.

But, as you say, there's nothing for analog photoprocessing at CVS, Costco, etc. In the mass market, acquisition is all digital now. Essentally, once you've got digital files, the computer has replaced the darkroom. Certain effects like motion blur, I find, are much nicer when shot in analog, but transferring to digital with any degree of quality can get expensive. If I were shooting film now, I'd use a custom lab as I describe, and have TIF full roll scans made at time of processing...

$8 16mb TIF/JPG Full roll scans at time of processing
$13 60mb TIF/JPG Full roll scans at time of processing
$10 16mb TIF/JPG Full roll scans from cut film
$15 60mb TIF/JPG Full roll scans from cut film
$4 16mb TIF/JPG Single frame machine scans
$8 60mb TIF/JPG Single frame machine scans
$20 20mb Imacon Scan
$35 60mb Imacon Scan

Re cameras... I've never owned a digital camera I've liked, because it costs a fortune to get a digital camera with manual controls. Simlarly, most affordable digital cameras have a large amount of latency... that brief but significant time lag between what you see in the finder and when you press the shutter button and when the picture is focused and taken. IMO, it's really pretty hard to do decent photography, or to learn much about photography, with an automatic camera.

Obviously, that's not the popular take on it, and most affordable digital cameras are automatic with menu settings as opposed to physical, manual controls. Those physical controls are much more expensive to build than chips are to program. But using a long menu instead of a manual control is a nightmare. It's a long discussion.

The entire digital motion picture revolution, spearheaded by using Canon DSLRs in movie mode... would not have been possible if an LA cinematographer had not been able to talk Canon engineers into making a *manual version* of one of their DSLRs, with which he shot a bunch of TV commercials, some short films, and a feature, as proof of concept. The cameras became very much in demand, but were ergonomically ridiculous for movie use... Eventually, dedicated motion picture modules, with sensors and ergonomics intended for motion capture, were manufactured. They've changed the entire movie business.

Re Olympus cameras... I have an Olympus XA pocket camera, a nice camera for street photography, that is a physically beautiful object. Even with a plastic shell, it's built like a battleship compare to most comparably priced digital camera. I scarcely have used it, though, because of the cost of getting good scans to digital. Here's a Ken Rockwell article on the XA and the XA2... [kenrockwell.com...]

A friend has an Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mirrorless Micro Four Thirds Digital Camera which I've played with a little, and mostly have seen what he's done with it, and it is a stunning beautiful system... but not cheap. I don't think I'd get a full format DSLR at this point. I wonder whether its value has gone up or down with the closing of the company. I'm guessing down for now, with maybe long term value going up.

Old cameras either have a current use value, or an antique value... like a very rare edition, say, of a Leica model with a very low serial number. I'm not sure whether such an animal exists in Olympus... In the current use value, I'm sure that for certain lines, like the OM-D E-M1 Micro Four Thirds, things like lenses and accessories might be sought after. Depends a lot on inventories and current demands. Ultimately, it's difficult to support old hardware without parts and techs who know them.. and it's possible that Olympus bargains might be available right now for that reason. Keep in mind that you'd be buying a system that no longer was being enhanced. I read that Panasonic has also gone out of biz. There are worries about some models of Nikon... and it's hard to say about Sony.

I should note that Adorama has acquired a good reputation for used professional equipment, as has B&H... but not for cheaper consumer level equipment.. I too would avoid ebay for cameras.

Mark_A

2:02 pm on Jun 29, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I shoot a Nikon D800, a nice machine (if now a bit dated). Olympus do make some decent gear and this ownership change won't necessarily be the end of Olympus cameras. The new owners are likely to focus on only doing things that make money, rather than things that promote Olympus as being a full service global dlsr manufacturer. Both parties need to continue describing Olympus as - continuing to supply - otherwise the transition to new ownership will coincide with a sales collapse.