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Bye Bye Concorde

         

lawman

11:14 am on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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SST Fleet [upi.com] to be retired.

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tigger

11:18 am on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What a huge shame, considering how old the old girl is she still looks great

le_gber

11:23 am on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yep it was 'la fierté de l'aviation francaise!'

Bye bye Concorde

leo

Brett_Tabke

12:59 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's some kind of machine. It is too bad I never got to ride on one. It's as close to a space flight as most humans could get.

Tor

1:02 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The British airline announced a special deal for Concordes in the coming months -- with a one-way flight costing just $3,118, $5,458 for first class.

I wonder what the "standard" fare is?

graywolf

1:06 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Growing up I lived near one of the runways of JFK airport, and you learned how to sleep thru the loudest and lowest flying planes. The concorde though, had it own unique sound, almost a whine, and you NEVER learned how to sleep thru it (as a teenager I tried to sleep well past 9 if possible), but you did never tire of watching the two flights in the morning and two at night.

creative craig

1:09 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know some one who was flown first class on Concorde for an important business trip to New York, I think that they were only gone for about 9 hours!

In the region £5,000+ if I remember rightly (not sure in $ though)

[edited by: creative_craig at 1:51 pm (utc) on April 10, 2003]

fathom

1:37 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The travel time is pretty cool. Arriving two hours before you left (east to west) is a wierd concept. ;)_

Trodda

1:51 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dammit, my SEO clients in London are certainly going to suffer in the short term. Best I purchase that Learjet I've been meaning to get.

Ed_Gibbon

1:54 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if the service ever earned a profit? If not, it was a ridiculous subsidy for rock stars, royality, and other millionaires. Given that it used more fuel to move fewer passengers than regular jets, I say good riddance.

creative craig

2:03 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If it ran for 30 years or so at loss it would suprise me ;)

Jon_King

3:24 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know what you mean Trodda, now I'm gonna have to ride with the regulars.

Alphawolf

3:33 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's some kind of machine. It is too bad I never got to ride on one. It's as close to a space flight as most humans could get.

A _long_ time ago I worked a short time as a ramp agent ("ramp rat") at JFK for a company that serviced BA.

While we were in training during Winter out on the tarmac, it was bitterly cold. We did have to train to service the Concorde. It's very small up close.

To get out of the cold wind about 3 or 4 of us climbed into the luggage area. My initials may have been carved inside- I forget.

Inside was OK. Just a long tube 2 rows of 2 seats. You were paying for the speed, after all.

One thing I don't think would ever happen again- I was almost late one day and being new still didn't have all the security badges I neeeded.

I was able to walk up to an area that accessed the tarmac and talk my way into the gate as the security guard didn't seem to care much. :-O

I'll tell ya one of the scariest things I've had to do was service 747's during deep winter with high winds. The water gets filled by a water truck that has a hose and a cherry picker to stand in. You go all the way up to just under the tail. Cold, windy, gloves on, nothing but a couple of chains to keep you from falling.

All for $6/hr and I was making more than some of the other guys!

We are talking some 13 years ago. Wow. I'm old! :)

AW

turk182

3:57 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Some time ago I read an article about the Concorde in "El Pais" (the most reputable newspaper in Spain and one of the better newspapers in the world). It said that the Concorde was never profitable not because of its high cost, but for the fact that the US government put as many obstacles as it could to prevent its success: the Concorde could only use a few airports in the USA, so if you pretend to fly to one of those cities without a Concorde "enabled" airport, you'd better use a normal flight.

The problem was Boing hadn't got any plane to compete agaisnt the Concorde, they were not planning to have one, and they didn't want the Concorde to eat the market of high class people.

This way the Concorde found it very difficult to become profitable: it could not stop in enough US airports to fill the passenger list.

lawman

4:12 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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An Honest Difference Of Opinion [news.bbc.co.uk]

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gibbon

4:14 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"An Honest Difference Of Opinion" represents the logical case against concorde

Misses the point though: it still was cool to fly faster than sound!

woop01

4:38 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I do noise modeling for a consulting firm and it's always interesting to see what happens to noise profiles by putting on Concorde into the traffic profile. Those things shoot the noise contours up like a rocket.

mahlon

4:57 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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For those of you who can afford it, they will be selling a few of them. I hear Microsoft may be getting one!

Hmmm, a Google concord?

lawman

5:21 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Misses the point though

Doesn't miss the point of the post # 14.

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BlobFisk

6:13 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've always wanted to take a Concorde flight.... now I'll probably never get that chance. Come to think of it, I feel more sorry for myself (not being able to take the flight) that I do for Concorde! :)

Au revoir and good luck, Concorde!

steve128

6:14 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)




Yeah 5k(£) $(7800) is about right.

London to NYC in just over 3 hours.
Expensive? only if you can't afford it.

Sure travel on a "bus" for a lot less

You want a Ferrari you have to pay.

Concord would not have a problem attracting customers if allowed to fly truely worldwide.

But hey all is fair in love and war, if I were the owner of an airline company I also would loby my government to "ban this "noisy nuisance" in the sky, and not worry about the actual fact this plane is gonna be one pigeon we cannot compete with on a level playing field.

Noise, Bull...t excuse, if ever I heard one.

mayor

6:17 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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God didn't create man to fly through the stratosphere at breakneck speeds in a glorified tin can. That's why God gave us the Internet ... so we can sit on our butts and bang on our keyboard and send data around the world in the blink of an eye.

steve128

6:24 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)



mayor
Too true blue
Though getting the word out - better and quicker than anybody else is the way the world tends to work, including the Internet -;

Jon_King

6:51 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting article Lawman..

I wouldn't have guessed this bird was started in 1962 and the last one was built in 1978.

Dynamoo

7:04 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Beautiful it certainly is.

Although I've seen them parked up at Heathrow, I've only seen one in flight once, and that was coming in to land at my local airport. It's an astonishing aircraft.

In some respects it looks like a jet fighter, and with a top speed of 1300MPH it's a match for most in terms of speed. But it's also very elegant and WHITE, a little like a swan. I guess the closest thing I can thing of in terms of technology and sheer awesomeness is a Space Shuttle.

It's also very much a child of the 1960s. Built by an Anglo-French consortium (the French insisted on the "e" on the end) it was a statement about how those countries saw the future, and a source of immense national pride then (and now) at being the first, and only, supersonic airliner.

Concorde is kind of like the the Ferrari of the skies, and makes other airliners look like a bus. Unfortunately, most people choose to travel by bus rather than Ferrari.

woop01

7:42 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Noise, Bull...t excuse, if ever I heard one."

Spoken like somebody who has never had to deal with the restrictions on noise created by airports. The Concorde RUINS noise contours that airports work very carefully to manage.

mivox

7:47 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sounds like someone who never lived near an airport either. ;)

Ed_Gibbon

9:05 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Noise, Bull...t excuse, if ever I heard one.

Noise is a huge, and I think legitimate, concern of folks who live near airports. The Concorde makes much more noise than any other commercial passenger aircraft. For people that live in metropolitan areas of the U.S., one of the side effects of the days right after September 11 was noticing how quiet the skies were without any planes. I'm glad I don't live anywhere near where the Concorde flies, er, flew.

steve128

12:44 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)



"Noise, Bull...t excuse, if ever I heard one"

Yeah, I did not say it was "quiet"

The excuse was noise, unfortunately this was not the real reason some airports banned it.

Of course some "caring" authorities then go and build more runways to take more traffic, so long as it suits them

"The Concorde RUINS noise contours that airports work very carefully to manage"........see above

Live near an airport? you kiddin

nicebloke

11:26 am on Apr 13, 2003 (gmt 0)
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