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No "George Bailey" at Run on Indymac

bank run --- sign of the times?

         

jsinger

5:32 pm on Jul 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Remember folksy Geroge Bailey's (played by Jimmy Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life") famous plea that stopped the bank run at his tiny Building & Loan office in 1946?

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"You're thinking of this place all wrong. As if I had the money back in a safe. The money's not here. Your money's in Joe's house . . .right next to yours. And in the Kennedy house, and Mrs. Macklin's house, and a hundred others. Why, you're lending them the money to build, and they're going to pay it back to you as best they can."
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In real life, bank execs are far more often found on Cayman vacations than before "lynch mob" depositors.

[reuters.com...]

jsinger

8:58 pm on Jul 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Lots of of discussion today on TV and online about the Run on Indymac.

Best comment: "...reminds me of when condo flippers lined up to grab units in hot developments."

Malibucreek

10:29 pm on Jul 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Why no George Bailey?

Because George Bailey wasn't in the business of giving people with $50,000 incomes $750,000 mortgages so that they could bid up the price of what would otherwise have been a $200,000 home.

IndyMac got what is deserved and what inevitably faces *every* business that put the bulk of its money into the real estate pyramid scheme of the past decade.

arieng

10:58 pm on Jul 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

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bank run --- sign of the times?

Dear god I hope not! I was just wrapping up college when the "dot-com" bubble burst and don't remember even noticing the short-lived recession that followed.

This is the first time as a professional that I've seen an economic downturn like this, and this news on Saturday really brought it home for me. Seeing a bank default (regardless of how irresponsible their lending practices were) makes my skin crawl.

Can someone who's been through some of these before lend some insight? Is this just part of the normal up and down of the economy or is this more significant?

jsinger

1:45 am on Jul 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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George Bailey (1946): "Your money's in Joe's house . . .right next to yours. And in the Kennedy house, and Mrs. Macklin's house, and a hundred others. Why, you're lending them the money to build,"

George Bailey (2008): "Your money's in some illegal alien's $20,000 hot tub two states away, and Kennedy's flipper condo in Vegas, and Macklin's kid's Hummer." (and they're all walking on their debt!)

Lovejoy

3:28 am on Jul 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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The whole thing is set to implode in the USA. Its been coming for quite a while, the stock market has been manipulated by the PPT since 2000, more so in the last two years. I'm out of the market, if you're going to in vest, buy popcorn the next six months are going to very interesting to watch.....

Lovejoy

[edited by: lawman at 8:07 am (utc) on July 15, 2008]
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jsinger

4:45 am on Jul 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Indymac involved several innovations that George Bailey didn't worry about in '46. ATM cards were never turned off. I guess debit cards worked too. FDIC quickly gave depositors what they wanted up to their insured amount (min of $100,000) and a voucher for 50% of any uninsured deposits. I haven't seen any info on how the 50% amount was determined. They could get more later.

You don't want uninsured deposits in ANY bank but there are odd ways that can happen unintentionally. For example: two people are jointly on a $120,000 CD and then one dies. Some elderly have CDs that have rolled over for decades.

It would be easy for a fairly small corp to have more than $100k in a bank.

lawman

8:08 am on Jul 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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the stock market has been manipulated by the PPT since 2000

The Professional Poker Tour seems to have their hands in everything.

lawman

8:16 am on Jul 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Can someone who's been through some of these before lend some insight? Is this just part of the normal up and down of the economy or is this more significant?

Greed and stupidity are part of the normal up and down of the economy. Having an MBA certainly doesn't innoculate anyone from either of these two maladies. We somehow managed to make it through the savings and loan crisis [en.wikipedia.org] in the 80's.

Lovejoy

1:18 pm on Jul 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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lawman, the way the stock markets working now is more of a gamble than being on the Poker Tour. The tables are all fixed and the dealer has removed all the aces from the decks. You can almost set your watch by what time the "market miracle recovery" happens with 250 lost points for the day being made up within 15 minutes at 3pm ;~)

This one's worse than the S&L crisis, the country is virtually Bankrupt, the market is being kept afloat by the fed.

Lovejoy

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jsinger

1:30 pm on Jul 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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the stock market has been manipulated by the PPT since 2000

What the heck is the PPT?

lawman

6:21 pm on Jul 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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What the heck is the PPT?

Esoteric stuff. Only insiders who know about the "market miracle recovery" know what it means.