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Super Efficient Household Lighting LED On The Way

         

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5:18 pm on Jan 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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A new type of super-efficient household light bulb is being developed which could spell the end of regular bulbs.
Experts have found a way to make Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) brighter and use less power than energy efficient light bulbs currently on the market.

Super Efficient Household Lighting LED On The Way [news.bbc.co.uk]

BeeDeeDubbleU

6:04 pm on Jan 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Wow! This could be a biggie.

Dabrowski

6:31 pm on Jan 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Very good in theory. LED light bulbs have been around for ages, the problem is they're just not bright enough yet. They can only get them up to about a 30-35w ordinary bulb so unless you've got a massive light fitting that takes 8 bulbs you'd struggle to light a room.

I for one hope they can improve them enough, I'll be in the queue to make my house greener, and my bills smaller!

Last year I went to Jongleurs in Birmingham, a comedy club. I noticed all their spotlights were LED's, and how cool it was in the room. For once people weren't dripping with sweat.

BeeDeeDubbleU

7:04 pm on Jan 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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LED light bulbs have been around for ages, the problem is they're just not bright enough yet.

But that's what this is all about ...

"Experts have found a way to make Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) brighter and use less power than energy efficient light bulbs currently on the market. The technology, used in gadgets such as mobile phones and computers, had previously not been powerful enough to be used for lighting."

Dabrowski

7:24 pm on Jan 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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But that's what this is all about ...

Yes I realise that. Like I said I hope they succeed!

It will be interesting to see what the prices are like, currently the bulbs are quite expensive, and it would cost over £100 to do the whole house. Even as low power as they are, about 2-3w each I think it will take a good while for them to pay for themselves.

[edited by: Dabrowski at 7:25 pm (utc) on Jan. 2, 2008]

DamonHD

8:00 pm on Jan 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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In the labs there already are LEDs more efficient than CFLs (which achieve about 60 lumens per Watt) and indeed have been for a year or two, eg see here:

[cree.com...]

and here:

[netl.doe.gov...]

Warm white is harder to do efficiently with LEDs for the moment than cool white. If find that I like both at different times, BTW, but people are more familiar with 'warm' white since it mimics the yellowish colour of current incandescent filament bulbs.

A large reason that the EU and other bodies have allowed a huge build-up of mercury-carrying CFLs into homes and businesses in a big way is, IMHO, the assumption that LEDs will pass them in 5--10 years time in efficiency and value. (For the US with 50% electricity generation from coal, which releases lots of mercury when burnt, on average they will have less mercury in the environment even if they stick with CFLs.)

Rgds

Damon

Monkey

3:29 pm on Jan 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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IMHO think a 40W bulb is sufficient in most cases to light up a room unless fine work or reading is required.

LED spot light prices are a little more expensive to the commonly used Halogen spot lights. However there are operating and environmental cost benefits

[edited by: Monkey at 3:30 pm (utc) on Jan. 3, 2008]

bcolflesh

3:41 pm on Jan 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I noticed quite a few LED Xmas lights for sale this year - one of the selling points (besides low power consumption) the boxes noted was that if one of the bulbs failed the rest of the string would stay powered.

thecoalman

5:18 pm on Jan 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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(For the US with 50% electricity generation from coal, which releases lots of mercury when burnt, on average they will have less mercury in the environment even if they stick with CFLs.)

Mercury emissions from coal fired power plants is minimal when comparing it to other sources:

In 1995, an estimated 5,500 tons of mercury was emitted globally from both natural and human sources. Coal-fired power plants in the United States contributed less than 1 percent of the total.

[fossil.energy.gov...]

Dabrowski

8:44 pm on Jan 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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IMHO think a 40W bulb is sufficient

Yeah, if you live in your bedroom at your Mum and Dad's!

My lounge takes about 5x 40w of ordinary bulbs to light sufficiently.

jsinger

10:38 pm on Jan 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Ridiculous is the current (USA) fad of lighting up the outside of one's faux Chateau, ostensibly for security reasons, but in reality to show it off to neighbors, passersby and space travelers.

Counted 14 high wattage incandescent bulbs blazing on one nearby mansion at midnight.

Light Pollution

thecoalman

7:07 am on Jan 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

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And those same people are the ones at the environmentalists rallies trying to tell everyone else all the harm they are doing to the environment. Like those celebrities who after said rally jump in the 3 SUV entourage to retire to their 20x power consuming mansion.

Bunch of damn hypocrites, do what i say not what I do.

Getting back on topic I love to see innovations like this, we've been switched over too fluorescent in our house since they were economically viable. Not specifically to be environmentally conscious but because it makes sense economically. Larger initial investment but the long term benefits far outweigh the initial cost. If they can provide the same with LED's I'll be purchasing them too if the cost benefit is there.

Automan Empire

8:47 am on Jan 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

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A little over 5 years ago, LEDs revolutionized exit signs and vehicle lighting, but the 110v "light bulb" ones I tried at the time were not fit for fridge lights. Since then, white LEDs have found niches in places like flashlights, freezer cases, and energy-conscious RV/marine applications. However, for room lighting, they are not quiiiiite ready for the retail market, especially as screw-in substitutes. I've seen some high-end, engineered-for-LED fixtures, and designed-in LED strips in new construction that were bright, but at prices that only a True Believer would love.

Even if this new generation surpasses compact fluorescents in terms of lumens per watt, the reliability and color still need to come up a bit. The oft-touted 100,000-hour life does NOT match my experience with flashlights, and traffic lights with several dead or flickering blocks of LEDs, though better driver circuitry would probably help this. As far as color, the mature compact fluorescent market offers several choices of color temperature, but I notice a lot of people still prefer incandescents over them because they claim to hate the color. White LEDs are mostly still too blue-ish, and the new warm-white type to yellow-ish for most consumers taste, for room lighting.

Keep working, engineers! You're almost there with this technology. The Light Bulb- what a commodity to rule the market in!

giggle

11:04 am on Jan 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

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LED's bright? I'm pretty sure that they use LED's to power the new traffic lights here in Thailand and also quite sure that I've seen them as brake lights on expensive cars.

DamonHD

5:10 pm on Jan 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

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LED headlights next...

[thefraserdomain.typepad.com...]

Rgds

Damon

thecoalman

4:38 am on Jan 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I've see quite few of those LED's for intersection lights, same on large tractor trailers for tailights and markers. At least thats what they appear to be. One of the benefits of them on tractor trailers is you have multiple lights in one, lights going out are big concern not only for safety concerns but for the divers pocket book. Last I heard it was a $90 fine per light that didn't work.

Monkey

11:19 pm on Jan 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

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FOR ALL THOSE IN LONDON
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Just read from the freebie newspaper that the two London B&Qss are swapping out a max of 2 standard light bulbs for 2 energy efficient light bulbs from the 11th-13th Jan.

Would be great if all electricity companies could extend the same deal to all parts of the UK!

[edited by: Monkey at 11:48 pm (utc) on Jan. 9, 2008]

Old_Honky

11:11 am on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Bring on the LED lamps, those horrible ugly so called energy saving lights are a cause of great argument in our house. I keep replacing them with bulbs that actually work properly and my wife who is more into the whole green recycling industry thing keeps swapping them back when I'm at work.

For the very small amount of energy they save (which is debatable because they cost more money and energy to produce) they are not worth the downsides.
1) They are not bright enough
2) You have to switch them on about a minute before you actually want to see properly because they take so long to "warm-up".
3) They are ugly and far too big.

In my opinion if you switch off lights when nobody is in the room then normal incandescent bulbs do not waste enough energy to worry about. I would rather skip the interim half baked solution of the energy saving bulbs and switch to LEDs as soon as they become reasonably priced. £100 for changing all the bulbs in the house doesn't seem too bad to me.

The Contractor

1:01 pm on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

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From what I have read the US plan is to phase out incandescents by 2014. I have switched 80% of my lighting with fluorescent bulbs including the dimmable CFL bulbs. The CFL uses almost 75% less energy than an incandescent bulb of the same light output. I cannot say how much it saves as I did this when we first moved to a new house several months ago. I can say we now cook with electric (used gas before) and even though our KWH price is more expensive (about 7%)in the city we moved to and the house is 2.5 times larger (more lights on all the time), our electric bill is about 15-20% less than what it was at the old place. I'm a firm believer in the new fluorescents and have never noticed a delay or brightness problem with the CFL as the previous poster stated.

[edited by: The_Contractor at 1:03 pm (utc) on Jan. 10, 2008]