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Scotland's New Manager

Whis is to be and are there enough of us here for a discussion.

     
12:39 pm on Dec 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I was participating in the England football discussion here ...
[webmasterworld.com...] . This has developed into a "who is the next manager" discussion.

This week's events in Scotland with McLeish taking the EPL shilling mean that we are also looking for a new manager. After the Bertie Vogts experience I would say that he has to be Scottish and old enough to have no ambitions beyond this role.

How about Kenny Dalglish? He did have good form with a manager with both Blackburn and Liverpool and is one of the few who have won the top title in England with two clubs.
His pedigree as a Scotland player is second to none. Would he be interested?

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Apparently there's some guy called "McClaren" who's available, and he has a good Scottish-sounding name too!

I know absolutely nothing about football, does it show?

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Terry Butcher!

Did a fantastic job keeping Motherwell at mid table obscurity, tried taking Sydney to the same level and is now surpassing even that with Brentford. Would love to see where he could take Scotland.

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Jose "the special one" is your man. :~}
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We can't afford him and we need a Scot.
2:56 pm on Dec 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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We can't afford him and we need a Scot.

I see... England can have him but Scotland need a Scot. That's illogical captain.

Logically as a smaller country (by population) Scotland will not have the number of home grown managers to choose from the England do so you should be more likely to accept Johnny Foreigner in the top job.

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We can't afford him

This is very true, and is I believe the reason you lost the last manager.

How about Vinnie Jones? Not Scottish, but I would hate to get on his bad side by losing! ;-)

Scotland has some good players, as their team and teams in the Champions League are showing.

More needs to be invested in the caliber of the manager. Who do you think will get it? Could Scotland even afford Kenny Dalglish?

8:15 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Logically as a smaller country (by population) Scotland will not have the number of home grown managers to choose from the England do so you should be more likely to accept Johnny Foreigner in the top job.

Scotland actually has quite a few realistic home grown candidates including Craig Levein, Billy Davies, Jim Jefferies, Mark McGhee, Graham Souness, Kenny Dalglish and so on. Like England, we tried a foreign manager and his tenure was dreadfully unsuccessful - never again! (I hope.)

I read at the weekend that King Kenny has not ruled it out and he has a better playing and managerial pedigree than any of the others. If he was doing it it would not be for the money so I don't think that would be a major issue. I think Kenny would be happy with half a million a year. ;)

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I'm not sure, its a total shame about loosing two really good managers at a time like this. Not complaining about the first due to me being a Rangers fan...

I just don't know who is good enough for the job...

5:17 pm on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Raymond did you know that big Eck was a good manager when he was at Ibrox or did you just realise it when he moved out for Paul le Guen then took the Scotland job? ;)
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Scotland actually has quite a few realistic home grown candidates including Craig Levein, Billy Davies, Jim Jefferies, Mark McGhee, Graham Souness, Kenny Dalglish

Have to admit I have only heard of the last two, and while I think Dalglish would be a great bet for Scotland did he not say he wouldn't manage anymore?

As for Souness, he has not been the greatest success at managing.

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Have to admit I have only heard of the last two

Had you heard about Alex Ferguson before we sent him south to do his missionary work? :)

Craig Levein was one of the many managers at Leicester City during the last few years. Their biggest mistake was getting rid of him after about a year. I think he could develop into another Alex Ferguson.

Billy Davies took Derby County into the EPL last year but he has just been sacked for his troubles. (Actually for publicly slagging the chairman.))

Jim Jefferies is an excellent manager who has never been given a chance at a club with any real chance of success.
[en.wikipedia.org...]

Mark McGhee had a long career as a player and lot of experience in management without setting the heather on fire. He won titles in the lower leagues in England.
[en.wikipedia.org...]

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Had you heard about Alex Ferguson before we sent him south to do his missionary work?

Ferguson is Scottish! Just kidding, but my memory is so poor I do not seem to remember United being without Fergie, or maybe I am too young..... ;-)

Noticed on the BBC that the Wycombe manager may be in with a shout!

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Paul Lambert? I hope not.
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Graeme Souness now?
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Well BBW the list is getting smaller. Keegan is also a no-no now.

I reckon McGhee will get it.

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He doesn't seem to want it. After what happened to Phil O'Donnell he says that he feels a commitment to Motherwell.
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Our local media reckon George Burley is on the short list.

His appointment would be good for Scotland, and great for Southampton.

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Gordon Brown ought to be out of a job sometime soon, he's Scottish! lol

>I reckon McGhee will get it.

I reckon so, too.

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ditto
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I see... England can have him but Scotland need a Scot. That's illogical captain.

It's historically consistent. Scotland has traditionally behaved nationalistically. England has traditionally behaved imperialistically.

Anyone can be recruited to serve a (multinational) imperialist cause. Oscar Wilde (Irish) can be celebrated as a titan in English literature. PY Gerbeaux (French) can manage a preposterous English civic project (I forget which), Roman Abramovich (Russian) can own one of the top English football teams, Chelsea FC.

Nationalist causes however require someone with the right sort of nationality.

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George Burley it is then according to the BBC to make him the third Ipswich manager to go on to glory.

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

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George Burley it is then

As I was the only one in the thread to (sort of) predict this I feel a warm glow of pride...

As an armchair Southampton fan I will be glad to see his sorry backside disappearing out the door. Scotland are in for a really boring few months before they sack him and give the job to Graeme Souness.

As far as Southampton goes - bring back Glenn Hoddle!

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As an armchair Southampton fan I will be glad to see his sorry backside disappearing out the door.

I can't say that I will be pleased to see him coming through our door. He has had no experience of managing at the top level, which makes his appointment very risky IMHO.

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He has had no experience of managing at the top level, which makes his appointment very risky IMHO

He took Ipswich to fifth in the Premiership in his first season, won Manager of the Year, let it all go to his head and wallet and managed to get the same side plus very high earners relegated the following year. Ipswich went into administration and 5 years later are just recovering thanks to a buy out.

He left jobs at Derby and Hearts following fall-outs with the Chairmen, and has done nothing of note at Southampton as far as I can see (albeit under financial restraints).

All press conferences will begin with the words "All credit to the lads" by the way, which after several seasons begins to grate a tad.

All in all, I wouldn't be dancing in streets of Glasgow on hearing the news.

 

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