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Quark to PDF: Normal text in Quark turns out bold in PDF

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MatthewHSE

3:21 pm on Oct 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My brother uses Quark to design print publications, which are then converted to PDF to send to the print shop. The file he's working with now has mysteriously turned text that is completely "normal" in Quark into bold type in the PDF.

My brother is totally baffled by this. He's used this workflow for over five years and is therefore pretty familiar with it, and he's never seen anything like this before. Unfortunately we're coming right up to the deadline for this job, so we really need to find the answer quick.

Anybody else seen this? If so, what's the fix?

He has Quark 7.2 and Acrobat 5.0 on Windows XP, in case that makes a difference.

Thanks for any ideas!

rocknbil

7:02 pm on Oct 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It's been years. :-( However a few things to look at . . . . .

Type I fonts or TrueType?

If you are using TrueType in your original, the print shop may be using Type I and it may be substituting it on the fly.

Do you provide all fonts with your document, or embed the fonts in the doc when exporting? Try both ways.

If all else fails, this one takes a little more work and *used* to be the standard method for preparing files for a printer: Figure out where the tools are in Quark to prepare/export documents for printing. It should create a package of folders and fonts so the original can be opened and they can print it directly to their output device. Alternatively you can get their output driver and print a PostScript file.

Lastly, make sure it's not just trapping settings that are futzing up the mix. I Trapping is the effect of widening the intersection of one color over another so you don't get a white line where they meet in actual printing. If you have, say, dark type on a background, some programs have trouble figuring out which one should spread and which one should choke. It may be spreading the type instead of choking the background, giving the false impression the type is using bold face.

MatthewHSE

7:33 pm on Oct 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the tips. Actually, I should have mentioned that it's happening on our printer here, *and* at the print shop. So it shouldn't be a font conflict...however, it's happening with both TrueType and OpenType fonts.

It shouldn't be trapping since this is just plain black text on a white background. Maybe there's something I don't know about trapping though.

We just tried the export procedure you mentioned and pre-press is looking it over now. I'll let you know if they find anything; in the meantime, we'll continue to appreciate any further ideas! :)

The thing that's so puzzling is that we've done this exact procedure many, many times and never had this problem before...

pageoneresults

7:42 pm on Oct 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If the text is against a colored background or is colored itself, then I can see trapping coming into the picture. If the text box is touching a picture box, I believe the trapping will come into play also.

Is it possible that someone used the "B" feature from the styling menu?

MatthewHSE

7:55 pm on Oct 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If the text box is touching a picture box, I believe the trapping will come into play also.

I passed this on to my brother and he tried entirely removing the pictures from one of the problem areas just to test...unfortunately still no dice.

Is it possible that someone used the "B" feature from the styling menu?

First thing we checked! ;)

Keep the ideas coming though - we're really coming down to the wire, and evidently pre-press isn't finding anything yet either or we'd have heard from them by now.

pageoneresults

8:18 pm on Oct 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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There is always the chance that the font he used and the conversion to pdf is a problem. If that is the case, have your brother stuff the Quark file and use the native files instead of trying to go from pdf.

I have seen issues where certain fonts just will not convert properly in pdf. It tends to be those that have very thin lines and are not your typical fonts.

MatthewHSE

3:31 am on Oct 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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We got it. We don't know how it happened, but somehow those paragraphs got set to registration black instead of 100% black. We both felt kind of silly after he found the problem; we've seen the effects of registration black before, but because all of this was supposed to be straight black, we didn't even think to check the color at first.

We're not sure, but we think this may have been a bug triggered by some text formatting before the text was brought into Quark. We certainly didn't set the colors that way on purpose; we've known better than that for years.

So anyway, this problem is finally solved. Thanks for helping us troubleshoot!

rocknbil

4:50 am on Oct 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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You have me curious though,

a white background

A background or paper, i.e., nothing at all behind it? Registration black should STILL overprint, as I recall.

MatthewHSE

1:35 pm on Oct 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Black print on white paper - no background at all (sorry, that "white background" statement was my web experience talking! ;) )

Our experience has been (and I'm sure you've seen this too) that a good printer can print registration black okay, but the type still "spreads" a bit to take on a heavier appearance. So we always use 100% black instead. I don't know why we didn't think to check the color, except that there was no logical reason it should have been different...

limbo

8:16 am on Oct 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I seem to remember that registration can be edited in your Advanced PDF settings too...