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I hate the term "web 2.0"

I really really hate the term "web 2.0"

         

hughie

3:44 pm on Jan 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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<rant for the day>
I really hate the term, "web 2.0".

I think it's meaningless, there's nothing 2.0 about whatever it is that's defined as web 2.0. It's just an evolution that started years ago with people being able to type text in a box and hit submit.

Why isn't it 10.0 or 1.24, it's like calling the latest ford "car 2.0 - now with four wheels and a steering wheel like before, but just better".

</rant for the day>

ken_b

3:48 pm on Jan 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Fret not... Web 3.0 will be along any minute now to reduce the stress and frustrations induced by the follies of Web 2.0!

LifeinAsia

4:18 pm on Jan 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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When you hear people talk about Web 2.0, tell them to go download the latest Internet Update- you're running version 2.1 already.

rocknbil

8:01 pm on Jan 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The sinister implications of Web 2.0 are only apparent if you have seen Paranoia 1.0 [imdb.com].

Fiver

8:09 pm on Jan 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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This is a question I ask in interviews these days 'what do you think of the term web 2.0 - try to define it for me, what's your opinion on the concept'

get a lot of different answers... I used to be of the mindset that IT'S JUST TEXT ALREADY! and it used to piss me off much like the poster of this msg... but I'm slowly shifting towards the other end of the boat - there may be something to it.

as much as I hate the phrase paradigm shift (as most people who used it couldn't define it, much like web2.0) it's about as close to a real one as I've seen on the web. yeah it's just a concept, but I'm not so sure anymore that it's meaningless one.

Fiver

8:13 pm on Jan 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"car 2.0 - now with four wheels and a steering wheel like before, but just better"

would car 2.0 be appropriate for a car that drives itself? How much of a paradigm shift (oh look at me go) would have to take place for this kind of phrasing to not bother you?

/curious

hughie

12:38 pm on Jan 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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would car 2.0 be appropriate for a car that drives itself

It wouldn't be car 2.0, it would just be a car that drives itself, just like a social networking site, is just that, a social networking site. it's still a website, just a different implementation of the technologies available.

ronin

3:22 pm on Jan 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I thought Web 2.0 just meant that the non-website-owning masses have just realised that the web is a two-way conversation.

Granted, more sites have been developed to take advantage of the new consciousness, but it's less Web 2.0 and more Web-users 2.0, no?

cmarshall

3:30 pm on Jan 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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When you hear people talk about Web 2.0, tell them to go download the latest Internet Update- you're running version 2.1 already.

DAMN! I just brought my copy of 2.0 from O'Reilly!

Do they have a Web upgrade?

Patrick Taylor

4:43 pm on Jan 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It would be less irritating if it was referred to as Web 2 instead of the more pretentious Web 2.0.

bedlam

5:41 pm on Jan 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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When you hear people talk about Web 2.0, tell them to go download the latest Internet Update- you're running version 2.1 already.

DAMN! I just brought my copy of 2.0 from O'Reilly!

Do they have a Web upgrade?

Yep. Download it here [w3schools.com] (it's a big file...)

-b

adamas

3:22 pm on Jan 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I shouldn't really be posting this given that I've always been warned that you shouldn't use x.0 versions of anything.

Fiver

3:30 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It wouldn't be car 2.0, it would just be a car that drives itself, just like a social networking site, is just that, a social networking site. it's still a website, just a different implementation of the technologies available.

Sure, but, the point is, it would be a fundamental shift in the way we perceive, use, and interact with the original concept of a car. It would be a paradigm shift. There are real world implications, and the label is an attempt to embody them.

Web 2.0 is an attempt to try and differentiate an old way of thinking about things and a new way. You can't argue that the fact that 15 year old girls can now create web content and contribute to it (and will in fact own it as they own the purse strings of the nation) is a meaningless change - it's not. The web is created, interacted with, and growing in directions that are very different than 1995 when just me and my computer science buddies at school were propagating our tilde accounts....

things are different, we shouldn't hate the fact that the nomenclature is trying to change to account for that, it's a natural occurrence. it's just unfortunate that it happened to use such a cheesy cliche as 2.0.

I thought Web 2.0 just meant that the non-website-owning masses have just realised that the web is a two-way conversation.

exactly right. c'est tout. but that's not nothing.

c'mon this is webmasterworld, web brains central.. I thought there would be loads of insightful and interesting comments on this topic here.... guess everyone is too busy making money off of manifestations of the paradigm shift to pontificate.

hughie

4:38 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I don't disagree that the web has changed, but it's still the "web" and whilst it's undergoing major change, when hasn't it been undergoing major change.

bulletin boards, forums, wikis, e-commerce, flash, asp, php etc have all been major points along the growth of the web, recent(ish) developments are just another marker along the road and in my eye are just an evolution of the forum.

That's not to say these sites are not a big step, they are, but to slap on a pointless term like web 2.0 is pointless and belittles the many other major developments throughout the years.

cmarshall

4:58 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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guess everyone is too busy making money off of manifestations of the paradigm shift to pontificate.

Not me. Web design is a serious hobby for me, kinda like this guy [cssplay.co.uk].

I don't really try to make money off of this. All my major Web work so far has been pro bono for NPOs or for internal work at my corporation.

I hang out here because it's like the Puzzle Page in my newspaper. I enjoy solving problems.

I could care less what anyone calls it. I'm also not much of a Kool-Aid fan, but the word "paradigm" always makes me clutch my wallet close.

Pricey

5:13 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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2.0?! I must have missed 1.1 through to 1.9! :)

timster

6:00 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hearing "Web 2.0" gives me the feeling someone is trying to drum up venture capital dollars.