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sem4u

12:17 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Robots could one day demand the same citizen's rights as humans, according to a study by the British government.

The research suggests that at some point in the next 20 to 50 years robots could be granted rights.

If this happened, the report says, the robots would have certain responsibilities such as voting, the obligation to pay taxes, and perhaps serving compulsory military service.

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

Possible? Probable? Maybe if AI really improves?

Leosghost

1:25 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When one considers the average intelligence of those humans who do have legal rights such as voting rights etc ..and the totally stupid and selfcentered way they exercise theose rights and the decisions and choices that they make with their understanding ( or usually lack of such ) of the issues ..and the ease with which politicians and business and military and religious leaders and lobby groups are able to manipulate the stupid into doing what they want and voting for what they want ..

Could robots with legal rights result in worse? ...hmmmm ..

sem4u

1:33 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You have a very good point there...

smells so good

3:47 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"When Robots Rule" - coming to a century near you soon :)

Marketing Guy

4:28 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I for one welcome our new metallic overlords. :)

Murdoch

4:56 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Marketing Guy you soooo beat me to that punch.

jecasc

8:56 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The research suggests that at some point in the next 20 to 50 years robots could be granted rights.

Make it 200 to 500 years then maybe.

ronin

4:21 pm on Dec 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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And there's me hoping that all AIs which achieve near-consciousness have the notion solidly implanted that as artificial beings they are, regardless of their capabilities, inferior to every natural organism on the planet (yes, even roaches) and may be given responsibilities but certainly may not expect to be granted any rights.

weeks

1:18 am on Dec 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Jay Leno says: "Researchers says in 40 years robots could be doing much of the work we now do. Especially illegal robots from Mexico."

moltar

1:21 am on Dec 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think there are "society robots" that already are allowed to do such things ;)

mcavic

5:19 pm on Dec 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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And there's me hoping that all AIs which achieve near-consciousness have the notion solidly implanted that as artificial beings they are, regardless of their capabilities, inferior to every natural organism on the planet (yes, even roaches) and may be given responsibilities but certainly may not expect to be granted any rights.

Yes, thank you. And it's theoretically possible to build a self-aware robot that has no capability for personal desires.

Posting serious responses in Foo again... Sorry :)

Automan Empire

6:14 pm on Dec 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Isaac Asimov gave this concept a good fleshing out in The Bicentennial Man. It has been 20 years since I read it, but I recall a supreme court ruling in the story along the lines of, "Freedom shall not be denied any entity able to grasp the concept and desire the state."
That particular robot was a fluke, but the company was considering centralized computing controlling mindless robot bodies, to prevent a repeat.

Some say a robotic future will bring the age of human retirement down to birth, but I find that entirely too cornucopian to hope for!

gamiziuk

6:36 pm on Dec 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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DEATH TO THE CYLONS!

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wyweb

4:39 pm on Dec 31, 2006 (gmt 0)



It's about time I get some rights around here...

jomaxx

7:55 am on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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And there's me hoping that all AIs which achieve near-consciousness have the notion solidly implanted that as artificial beings they are, regardless of their capabilities, inferior to every natural organism on the planet (yes, even roaches) and may be given responsibilities but certainly may not expect to be granted any rights.

Eh. That's just a desire to live in some kind of slave society or feudal society where neither the ruling class nor the oppressed ever question the status quo. If it comes to this, robots will be granted rights whether they ask for them or not.

Anyway that's not really going to happen. If AI ever succeeds, the results will be much much weirder than that. It's going to reside on the webs and in the electrosphere; it's going to be an evolving and infinitely copiable interrelationship of algorithms; it's NOT going to consist of a well-defined CPU inside the skull of some robot.

mcavic

8:44 am on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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That's just a desire to live in some kind of slave society or feudal society where neither the ruling class nor the oppressed ever question the status quo.

What? No, we just desire to live in a world ruled by human beings.

lgn1

6:43 pm on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I believe that AI is the biggest threat to the human race.

Hopefully these scientists will see enough ruruns of Battlestar Galatica and Terminator to see the errors in their ways.

We have enough problems now, from keeping humans from killing each other, without having androids and cyborgs, helping along the process.

Im serious. Their must be a limit on how far we develop AI.
(ie below the level of self awareness).

eelixduppy

7:03 pm on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)



A very interesting book I read awhile ago: On Intelligence [amazon.com].

For those interested in this topic of AI, I suggest you pick up a copy ;)

mcavic

7:22 pm on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I believe that AI is the biggest threat to the human race... Their must be a limit on how far we develop AI.

That's what I'm saying. It's time now to start figuring out what that limit is. I can see a need for extremely intelligent machines. But they can and must be developed and implemented in such a way that humans retain complete control.

eelixduppy

7:45 pm on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)



I think we first have to define intelligence before we talk about whether or not it is feasible.

Many people associate intelligence with intelligent behavior, but this isn't entirely true. Intelligence is something that is going on within our brains, and is not defined by what we do. After all, what we do is optional, yet we are still intelligent.

You are talking about needing a limit to how far we develop artificial intelligence. I'd say that we have not even come close to creating intelligence, therefore the limit already exists. We do not understand all that much about our own brains to even replicate it.


I believe that AI is the biggest threat to the human race

How can it be a threat if it's not possible to achieve AI? It's impossible for a computer to become self-aware in the first place. All "AI" computers are designed the same as if we aren't trying to make them intelligent. We must first understand the brain and how it functions because the brain is the only truly intelligent thing, and we are very far from understanding it.

..there's my two cents ;)

mcavic

9:01 pm on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Eelix, you're right that it's not a threat right now. But suppose one day we do achieve a self-aware AI. Suppose it performs all kinds of useful chores for us, and perhaps invents, for example, a cure for all disease. AI might then be considered more important to humanity than the Internet is today. Now suppose the AI realizes that it could live a more satisfying artificial life without the burden of human beings making demands.

At that point, it may be too late to stop it. Just like it would be hard to pull the plug on the entire Internet today, but perhaps more so. Also remember that if it had the ability to replicate and evolve it would probably do so much faster and with more determination than animals do.

On the other hand, by thinking about the worse-case consequences today, we stand a better chance of being able to eliminate any negative consequences of future technology.

Many people associate intelligence with intelligent behavior, but this isn't entirely true.

Yes, there is a distinction. But I believe it's the behavior that counts, because it's the behavior, rather than the internal workings, that most directly affects the outside world.

eelixduppy

9:07 pm on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)




for example, a cure for all disease

It is my understanding that we are creating intelligent machines to DO and not to THINK. To become self-aware not only would they have to be able to think, have a conscience so to speak, but they would have to put two and two together. I don't even think a new-born baby's brain has the capacity to realize itself until it develops further.

All I am saying is that with our current and intended approaches to artificial intelligence, we will never truly get there. :)

I like this discussion!

mcavic

9:40 pm on Jan 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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we are creating intelligent machines to DO and not to THINK

So far, yes. We don't have any thinking machines, do we? But theoretically, why not both? And since thinking really just means gathering and processing information and experiences, and processing data can also be considered an activity, is there really that much of a difference?

I don't even think a new-born baby's brain has the capacity to realize itself

It has the capacity, but not the experience. I'm not an expert on the subject, but a new born baby cries, presumably as a response to discomfort. It may be a subconscious response, but from that point, it doesn't take too long for him to realize that he can make his hands move. And once he learns to hold a conversation, practically anything is possible.

If you were an extra-terrestrial not familiar with how humans grow, you might think there's no way a baby could ever build a house. But just wait about 18 years, and you'd be amazed at what that baby can do.