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adamnichols45

3:25 pm on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hey guys simple debate!

I need to print onto paper a design that includes both images and text.

Using inkjets i find is bloating the text by that i mean that once the ink is on the paper it is being absorbed by the paper!

I dont want this to happen. I need a colour print!

Any one with ideas is welcome to post!

longen

3:49 pm on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Are you using quality paper.

adamnichols45

5:38 pm on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yes around 100gsm

adamnichols45

9:34 pm on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I was expecting alot more response on this topic guys! Anyone?

Marcia

9:48 pm on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Have you tried it on paper that has less porosity, like photo paper?

topr8

10:06 pm on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>Yes around 100gsm

well i print little gatefold handouts for customers and they have print and text with an epson photo inkjet, however i think that 100gsm is nowhere near good enough quality paper

adamnichols45

11:30 pm on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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has anybody got experience with a colour laser printer?

I dont want to go and spend £400 and have the same results as an inkjet!

Lobo

12:10 am on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Laser without a doubt .. why would you want to spit at something when you can give it a nice big kiss :)

Marcia

12:30 am on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Before making an investment in a printer, why not take a page to a shop and try it out first? There may also be a difference in high or low end laser printers, but there are stores that you can return products to if you're not satisfied.

rocknbil

1:07 am on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I agree, just try changing your paper stock, buy a few small packets of samples.

grandpa

1:44 am on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Based on my experience with a laser printer, have a look at the replacement refill costs before you commit. As I recall, it was an expensive venture. I'm back to inkjet. FWIW I use my printer to create labels on generic label stock, and I'm printing images and text. I also print on generic office paper without any text bleeding like you've reported.

... just guessing, is there any chance that you're refilling with or using an ink that may not be recommended for your printer?

One other possibility you can try with your current printer is to adjust the amount of ink flow to the paper. My HP comes with a PC control dialog where I can perform tests, check ink levels, and adjust the ink density.

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6:47 am on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Simple answer......

Inkjets suck....Lasers rock!

More in-depth answer, a laser will cost you way more, initially and in the long run, but, for the quality every penny is worth it!

Top quality paper is also very important. If you want professional results you are going to have to pay to get them!

I'd never buy another Inkjet (owned at least a dozen), it is money down the drain. Lasers are not cheap to buy or maintain, but, at least you can rely on them to produce a quality result without all the Inkjet hassles!

adamnichols45

1:21 pm on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Excellent exactly what I was looking for!

Thanks for all the coment so far- Grandpa quickly answering you! Indeed i am using a compatable (cheaper) cartridge.

Now i have to look at what laser printer i want to purchase :)

inbound

1:53 pm on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'd still consider looking at the paper issue.

Inkjets can produce excellent results on paper which has a high chalk content (or some similar substance), it's quite different to normal paper. I'm not talking about glossy photo paper, it's a matte finish and costs less than glossy photo paper. Try going to your local stationers and pick up some sample stock, you should be looking at paper that costs around 5p/10c a sheet (possibly more at a local store, but if you are only buying a pack or two it's a price worth paying for the ability to get sample sheets).

The third option is Dye Sublimation / Solid Ink printers. Now those can produce amazing results, but they were more expensive than good colour lasers the last time I had a good look.

Beware of cheap colour lasers, they can be very expensive to run. Also the quality of them varies enormously.

Your final choice may be inflienced by the type of thing you are printing, solid blocks of consistent colour are tricky for cheap lasers, the others fare better on these (graphs etc). If you are using the printouts for anything but design work then a laser or good inkjet will be fine, with the laser probably outperforming the injet in terms of speed.

So...

For small volumes your inkjet may do, with decent paper.

For more speed a good colour laser is the choice.

For the best quality a DS / SI is the bees knees.

adamnichols45

2:02 pm on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dye Sublimation / Solid Ink printers

Thats something i have not heard of before and im going to do someresearch into that now thank you.

Is the DS / SI tht much better than the colour laser printer?

Leosghost

2:40 pm on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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just in case you weren't aware ..even mat paper has a print surface ..and a non print surface ( good side /bad side )..make sure you use the print surface ..the difference in your print quality will be apparent ..

inbound

3:50 pm on Nov 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is the print quality of DS/SI Better than Laser?

Yes, by quite a margin in many cases. The main reason behind this is the way a 'dot' appears on the paper. Lasers create dots that are discerable by the naked eye as they have high contrast edges, DS create dots that have softer edges and can vary in intensity on better DS printers.

There are also other advantages, DS printing seals the ink into the paper rather than on the paper surface. This is usually only a problem if the printout is folded, handled very poorly or if the printout needs to keep its colour/bonding integrity for a long time.

You may want to look at Xerox for some of their solid ink range, but be prepared for high costs if you are printing pages which have a high ink requirement.

BillyS

1:47 am on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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adamnichols45 - Dye Sublimation is about as close to photo quality you can get at home. But most printers of this type only print glossy images - not matte. Think of this technology as colored films and heat. Because of the way the color is transfered to the paper, you don't get the bleeding as you would with inkjets.

Personally, unless someone is going to magnify the print a laserjet should be fine - but the paper is really the important element here.

In your original post, you never really mention what you're going to print and how frequently...

adamnichols45

12:17 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I will be printing professional letters using images as well kind of like a catalogue.

I only want to print in matt format as opposed to glossy.

Is the laser now my only option?

topr8

1:22 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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well as i said i print mini catalogues/gatefold handouts and they are with an inkjet

i use compatible inks - all but one batch of cartridges i've bought have been fine.

i print artwork (as in art pictures) as well as text and the results are very good.

i use matt not glossy paper and i print both sides

i believe that paper is the key

i use an epson inkjet that cost around 100 pounds

inbound

2:29 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Now that you have said what you are printing DS/SI is out.

I'm not sure what the best paper will be for excellent results on both sides using an inkjet (as the best matte paper has a printing side as said earlier). However you can get good results with a qualiy, thick stock. I'd look at some of the 160GSM inkjet specific paper, these should be OK for double sided printing and not be too expensive.

Sorry to throw in another factor here, some lasers can print both sides for you on a single run. This makes life a little easier - you know the results will be the right way around.

Recommendations

Low volume - Inkjet on good paper
Higher volume - Duplex laser

Syzygy

3:38 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As a thought, you might want to look at the dpi you're printing at. If the paper is oversaturating - and it's quality paper - the likelihood is it's getting too much ink. Printing at 720dpi or lower may help.

Syzygy

adamnichols45

3:52 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks then i think what im looking for is the colour laser printer!

Can anybody recommend a good colour laser that

1. prints high quality images and text
2. does not scratch easily (meaning the ink)
3. prints professional quality matte prints

thanks

adamnichols45

1:35 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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any follow ups?

percentages

8:04 am on Nov 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I can't as they don't make my printer any longer :(

Like most equipment, lasers change rapidly.

If I had to replace it today I would choose either the Oki Data C9300 or at a lower price/size/quality the HP LaserJet 4600.

Hope this helps :)

I would love to hear from someone who has the Oki C9300, that machine looks awesome from a distance!

zulu_dude

4:28 pm on Nov 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We've fairly recently bought a Samsung CLP-510 colour laser printer for the office and have been really happy with it.

It prints full duplex (double sided printing) and we use it to print out literally thousands of pages of full colour, double sided brochures a month. Have had it for about 4 months so far and have had zero hassles.

It cost roughly £260 to buy and toners are around £30-40 each. I worked it out one day and it wasn't much more expensive than getting stuff printed at a commercial printing house. Obviously the quality can't match a commercial printing house, but it's still pretty good! You can also spend another £20-30 and get the networked version.

I second the comment about asking to try out a printer at the store... take along some of the material you are likely to print and get them to do one as a sample.