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Universal Music Sues MySpace.com

and so it begins...

   
12:35 am on Nov 18, 2006 (gmt 0)



[biz.yahoo.com...]
"The Web site also "encourages, facilitates and participates in the unauthorized reproduction, adaptation, distribution and public performance," according to the suit.

In the complaint, Universal singles out features on the Web site that enable users to save copies of videos to their profile pages or share them with others on the site."

5:22 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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balam.... Thanks.

I did seek permission for the audio. Of course I heard nothing back.

I did create the videos for my own enjoyment and decided to post them just because I could. I guess I thought that since it was something that I had created that it would be ok, kind of like taking a bunch of magazine photos and putting them together to make a collage. Apparently not.

So what is the issue with doing such highlight videos from sporting events? Is it just that they are concerned about me affecting the market of the original work?

For IANAL, I too read the same things on my CD but I don't know what would constitute "Unauthorized duplication", Is putting music I bought to a video really "Unauthorized duplication". I know some hate my lines of comparison but I wonder if I would be in the same violation if I posted a first dance wedding video. Would the track they were dancing too need to be approved for use before I could post a wedding video?

I am not sure you can even answer that but from what I take from this and other discussions is that as long as I don't put it out to the masses then it is fine? Seems a little strange though that someone would need permissions for the audio track to post their wedding dance on YouTube. But that is copyright law, I think a lot of time logic doesn't come into play.

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[edited by: lawman at 6:47 pm (utc) on Nov. 27, 2006]

5:49 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Unauthorized duplication"= copying without written permission from the copyright holder ..

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[edited by: lawman at 6:48 pm (utc) on Nov. 27, 2006]

6:14 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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<snip>
"Unauthorized duplication"= copying without written permission from the copyright holder <snip>)

I am allowed to make several copies of a cd under the law. I am allowed to make a backup copy, I am allowed to copy the songs to another media player (read an mp3 player of some type, even DRM allows for this). I am allowed to copy the disk to my computer. There are many instances where I can LEGALLY copy a cd that I have purchased. Man I can't believe that you think this way.

<snip> What I am asking about what constitutes Unauthorized duplication..... You can't just say making any copy is Unauthorized duplication because that is not true. In fact you couldn't be more incorrect.

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[edited by: Demaestro at 6:15 pm (utc) on Nov. 27, 2006]

[edited by: lawman at 6:49 pm (utc) on Nov. 27, 2006]

6:51 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Let's not forget TOS #4 [webmasterworld.com].
12:45 am on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a question, how is watching a video online any different than watching it on TV? I can't take it with me, I can only see it when I have my computer (much like MTV).
1:18 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If a video is show on MTV the artist will get a small amount of money everytime it is shown. If an individual rips a video and uploads it to a video site the artist is unlikely to get any money.
1:06 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Demaestro sez...

> So what is the issue with doing such highlight videos from sporting events? Is it just that they are concerned about me affecting the market of the original work?

That, I imagine, would be a primary argument. From hockey fights to great footie goals (or vice versa - go Zidane! :) ), highlight reels are worth money to the original owner. Releasing your own reel dilutes the market for the profits the owner hopes for.

> [...] I posted a first dance wedding video. Would the track they were dancing too need to be approved for use before I could post a wedding video?

The "'Net Lawyer" in me says that you would only need approval if you dubbed-in the song.

> I am not sure you can even answer that but from what I take from this and other discussions is that as long as I don't put it out to the masses then it is fine?

Yes. As you noted, some duplication is allowable. I can make an obnoxious mixtape that goes from surf to metal to reggaetón with music I have legally purchased for my own personal use. But, should I make that mix pubicly available, I have then violated copyright law.

> I think a lot of time logic doesn't come into play.

I tend to agree with you (which I do on a more general level than may appear). I personally believe that copyright now has far more to do with financial matters than the lofty preachings of "protecting intellectual property."

Kiska sez...

> [...] how is watching a video online any different than watching it on TV? I can't take it with me [...]

Sure, that was before. But I have a two-word answer for you: "Video iPod."

Or, I can save the video - if it's not already in my cache - convert it to a suitable format and burn it to DVD. Then I drop it in the DVD player in my family van to keep the kids amused while I drive them to the abbatoir.

lawman, don't go running with those scissors!

4:08 pm on Nov 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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balam.....thanks for putting that response together.
10:49 pm on Nov 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't know why I am obsessed with defining the limits of copyright but for some reason I am super curious as to where the lines are drawn.

What if I video tape myself watching the DVD of the sporting event in question and making comments from the couch as the event plays on?

Would video taping the event being displayed on my tv be a copyright violation? Would me making comments as it happens qualify it as a critic?

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