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That is the effect of the amount cash involved and the stakes..
It's not uncommon, how many times do players play for fouls in basketball for instance, it is seen as part of the game.. and good or bad that is the way football has gone.. as a professional I would expect professionals to incorporate that mindset in to their game and be expecting players to be doing just that..
ps: I don't think getting inside the mindset of Rooney is that difficult, it is not a big stretch of the imagination to know how a baboon may react...
Reading most of the press they seem to have come to the conclusion it was accidental.....but wait they know nothing about football too
Well at least we are agreed on that ;) I think it's shameful that they are ignoring it like this after what they did to Beckham eight years ago.
To me it did not seem delibrate
We can argue about this forever and I am not sure that I can explain what I mean here but Wean Rooney was leaning forward and possibly a bit off balance when this happened. When you are leaning forward and trying to move to an upright position your instinct is to step forward with your free foot to regain your balance. The fact that he deliberately stepped back suggests to me that it was deliberate.
Wean Rooney: My fellow Scots and perhaps some Northern English will realised that my choice of spelling was intentional :)
Rooney should "stick one on him" - I saw that interview as well, did you see how the entire commentary panel went dead quiet for about 10 seconds afterwards? Weird.
That was embarrassment. So Alan Shearer at last does something wrong and we have to wait until he retires. I remember reading that the press were trying to dig the dirt on old Alan and they came up with the headline, "Alan Shearer Caught in One in a Bed Romp!"
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The Sun reports that Wayne Rooney is going to "split Ronaldo in two" and that Ronaldo is "in hiding".
Methinks the players should all have taken a week off to calm down before commenting because some of the stuff they are saying is just ridiculous. Steven Gerrard on Ronaldo ...
"Winking at the bench and his team-mates sums him up as a person. If I was playing against a Liverpool team-mate and they were involved in a situation like that I would never try and get them sent off."
This sounds to me that he is implying that it would have been OK to do this if it had not been a team-mate.
"Winking at the bench and his team-mates sums him up as a person. If I was playing against a Liverpool team-mate and they were involved in a situation like that I would never try and get them sent off."
I rather liked the Sun's take on this:-
The biggest winker in football
Hehe - you can always trust the Sun...
Rooney's behaviour is unsurprising. As are the reactions of some England fans.
The biggest winker in football
Very good!
I do not think the Rooney incident can and should be compared to what Beckham did a few years ago against Argentina. Beckham was wrong, stupid and should have been sent off.
Rooney though just landed in the wrong place following a lot of pushing and shoving when he should (imho) been given a free kick.
Debate on this is pointless though as the red and perhaps worse still stands.
Do you know how difficult it would be to ba falling around, being pushed by two players, and target any part of the body while falling? And as already mentioned if he had landed there with menace the guy would have stayed down with tears in his eyes for a lot longer. Probably would still have a high voice from it today!
And as already mentioned if he had landed there with menace the guy would have stayed down with tears in his eyes for a lot longer.
Perhaps, but you have to remember that when players are deliberately using violent conduct they seldom do it with the same abandon as is used in a pub brawl. It's too easy to spot that way.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that football players are incapable of fouling in a sly way that that can be left open to interpretation and I am not just including Rooney in this. Very few pro footballers at that level have any scruples. That has been proven many times.
Buuut, I'll just stand in the corner with a big grin and do a little dance...
from web business you should know that putting all your eggs in one basket is fatal ;)
in addition total persuaded dependence on a recovering wayne rooney
I think the name your looking for is Shrek, hehe.
I wouldn't say "A sour grape Scot"! We are just Scots period. lol
english media praising an average team in advance with exorbitant exaggeration of the true quality
That's what it's all about I'm afraid. I am always very surprised at the ease with which people down south seem to swallow the nonsense served up by the southern based media. Stuff like, "we beat Portugal in '66 so this must be an omen", and "man for man we are as good as anyone in the world cup", etc.
Erickson ... "We will play good football, we will win and that is it. I never think about losing. "I have always talked about the belief in the squad. They believe they can win it and it was not the case in the same way in Japan four years ago."
Statements like that are toooo risky!
In Scotland some of us (and only a few) fell for this in in 1978 world cup. The press built the team up to be world beaters and we were "on the march with Ally's army", and all that nonsense. We were swiftly put in our place. We learned a valuable lesson and it will never happen again. Come to think of it, unless things improve dramatically it may be a long time while before we ever get the chance again :(
England will probably be back at the European championships and the next world cup. Let's hope that they learn something freom this experience and go into these competitions with more realistic expectations. Perhaps then they will do better.
(posted by another Scot)
Due to the fact that we'd never hear the end of it from the media, I'm happy that England aren't progressing further. I have nothing against England doing well - but we'd honestly never hear the end of it.
As for the England team I really think that the manager was to blame - a slightly better squad could have been chosen (more strikers) and he played in a format unfamiliar to most of the English players.
Englands games weren't that enjoyable to watch for the most part - the team never shone.
For my part there wasn't much in it between Portugal and England. The game looked to be heading towards penalties with or without 11 men. When you compare how either of these teams played compared to the Italy vs Germany game its just embarrassing.
Wayne Rooney was being wound-up right from the start. Ronaldo had obviously told his team mates to wind him up - but to me that's just a sign of respect (about how good he is). The old firm wind up their opponents all the time - inviting players round to see their car collection, asking how much they earn, asking what team they're playing against again... it's just part of football.
Wayne Rooney knows this. Its worth remembering that, for the most part, he wasn't getting that many passes. In the minutes leading up to his vicious assault (just kidding!) on the player he had messed up any time he had gotton the ball - due to his own mistakes and good marking. He was basically just very frustrated - more with himself than anything else.
When he got into the tussle he overreacted and shot out with his foot - meaning to kick the player (though not in the privates). You could see how frusted he was when he shoved the other player away. These things were both done in front of the referee.
His frustration was borne out of the managers hopeless system which wasn't allowing him many chances - and because he's still young and hence a bit hot-headed at times. Neither he nor Ronaldo should be attacked by the media.
I think England really did have many quality players on the pitch and - just by having a different manager - could have done much better. Getting as far as they did is still something English fans should be proud of. To progress further next time the squad simply needs a better manager. Personally I've always thought that in the World Cup the manager should have to come from that country justs as the players have to.
P.S. I should also mention that Germany were perfect hosts. While in Berlin (for the first Brazil game) we had Germans approaching us asking if we needed any help, all the people were friendly, transport system was great, lots of huge screens and entertainment everywhere - even the weather was perfect!
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What the folk at Newsnight obviously thought was:
I know... lets go find the poorest, most deprived area in the whole of Scotland, leave a car in worst possible place in that area - right out for all the locals to see, then plaster the car completely in the flags of Scotland's historical enemy. Then simply "wait for" (encourage/bribe/pay) some local youths to go and throw bricks at it.
Yeah... that sounds like an unbiassed way to gauge Scottish reaction to our neighbours down south! Newsnight decided on what they wanted to happen and made it happen.
I am VERY happy that the police are looking into this and not just some TV standards watchdog.
Back to the game... Zidane should face assault charges off the pitch for his actions. Is this what he's really like off the pitch? Such a stupid way for such a great player to end his career.
Congratulations to Italy on their win.
[edited by: TravelSite at 9:25 am (utc) on July 10, 2006]
It really isn't the winning, its how you play that counts,
