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So, anyone here ever own or travel in an R.V.? Any campers here?

Presently rehabing a 1979 Midas mini motorhome. Oh, the memories!

         

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4:17 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Not so mini. 24 feet long that Midas is. Some of my favorite memories of things I've done with my children attach to that old darling, like the three 8 day stays in the Fort Wilderness campground in Disney World.

I remember the first road trip to Florida like it was yesterday . . pulling away from the house . . . heading up Main Street . . turning onto Rt. 322 . . . the door to the refrigerator not being locked . . the contents of the refrigerator exploding outwards as the door suddenly swung open during that first turn on the trip to Florida . . the gallon pitcher of lemonade hitting the floor and shattering . . the forensic investigation of the potato salad and macaroni salad splatter patterns . . . a box of 48 hot dogs bursting open and hot dogs rolling about . . and did I mention the deviled eggs that my wife made as a special treat?

Just like it was yesterday.

1100 more miles of adventure to go . . . and there were a few more to come, like the fan belt breaking at night in the metro-D.C. area and the lights going dead . .

Currently she sits gutted in my driveway, roof torn off, new linoleum on the floor, new oak paneling 2/3 done, and another 100+ hours of rehab work to go.

So, any campers here? Any RVers?

Care to share any camping stories?

Meet any bears in the woods? Ya? Well, I'll bet the story about my dad and the bear will top the story about your brother and the bear . . . no? . . you're kidding! . . . your brother did what?!

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10:24 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Mine is a 69 Dodge, 318 engine, 22 footer. The coach is an orphan, but I think Red Dale was the manufacturer. I picked it up in Texas, rehabbed it for six months and drove it over to Utah, then up to Idaho. What an experience. I'm seriously considering taking it to Colorado this summer. Needs a little work, but it runs smooth as silk at 55 mph :-)

The best story I have is a trip across southern Wyoming. Approaching the Continental Divide from the east, there were 17 miles of highway where the right lane was coned off. There was no construction or anything else going on, but that right lane was closed. I'm going uphill, with 9 people and all their camping gear, and my top speed was 40 mph. Once I was down to 30. I thought about pulling into that right lane, but I didn't want to drive in a closed lane, and I didn't want to lose my momemtum, so onward we rolled. When we got to the Divide I pulled over at the rest stop and let a very, very, very long line of cars and trucks pass us by. Oh, and while we were stopped I checked my tires, needed two on the front at the next place I could get them.

Since I got to Idaho its been mostly parked and I boondock there, except for that one trip thru the mountains without any brakes.

lawman

11:04 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Only old people own RVs.

Webwork

1:49 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Only old people own RVs.

Nah. I bought mine when I was 37 . . but then again, I did buy it because my father was forever talking about buying one but couldn't bring himself to do it . . so I called his bluff and made him 1/2 owner.

Here's what I think the common elements of RV ownership are:

1. A mom who just won't go camping unless there's certain amenities, such as a nearby toilet for when the 4 year old has to go to the bathroom at 3 A.M.

2. People who don't like to be too far away from a refrigerator. (Ever notice any large sized RVers?)

3. People with a mess of kids who want someplace where they can hide from the kids whilst they camp. (Kids get a tent "of their own" whilst the old folks stay in the RV.)

4. People who enjoy the outdoors that want to camp/explore with their older parents. (The old folks just don't take to tent camping now that the bones creak.)

5. People who enjoy the outdoors and want to explore the South in the summer - but who also want to be able to sleep at night. (Few things I've enjoyed less than sleeping in a tent when it's 80 degrees and 95% humidity.)

RVs: Not just for old people anymore . . but then again, I'm not getting any younger. :-P

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2:39 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Obviously you're much more mentally mature than I. My immaturity won't allow me to have an RV (or even to join AARP).

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2:50 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You're not foolin' anyone. You've got an RV, just a much smaller version of one - a golfcart.

No, I take that back. Actually, a golfcart is a personal mobility scooter, which clearly is a sign that you are waaaay ahead of me in preparing for old age fella. :-P

lawman

3:22 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Haha, yeah my granddaughter's visiting this week and I've used that golf cart more this week than I have in the past 3 months.

Wait a minute, did I say granddaughter? I meant to say my oldest daughter's daughter. ;)

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3:47 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm not out as often as I would prefer anymore, but I'm very much an open sky and/or tent camper, more often than not with a passle of scouts in tow, but my inlaws seem to really enjoy their rv and selecting places not on everyone's radar.

Webwork

3:54 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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RV on the mountain grandpa? Too funny. :) Been there, done that, from both ends of the line - front and back. Nice thing about such lines if that with the right mental adjustment you get to just sit back and enjoy the scenery and conversation. Besides . . some of those mountain roads are a bit scary, so slow ain't all bad. :)

My motorhead buddy has convinced me that part of the answer to the mountain climbing RV problem is that my exhaust pipes aren't wide enough - so I'm having problems efficiently discharging exhaust gas - which builds up back pressure on the engine robbing me of essential hill climbing horsepower. Next modification: 3" pipes or larger.

OTHO, in my old age, maybe I need narrower pipes in my personal carriage? Cut down on the efficiency of passing exhaust gas? :-P

grelmar

4:10 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I "RVed" for a year when I was 29/30.

Well, sort of.

It was a camperized mid-length '72 Cardinal Coach (school bus), with all the amenities of a normal RV. Plus, it had the ground clearance and durability of a school bus.

Which was important, because I was tramping around Alberta trying to get rich working in the oilpatch.

I miss the instant camraderie of small town campgrounds filled with other patch-pigs, the fear in the local's eyes as 20-40 RVs and converted buses swooped down for a week to a month's worth of Oilpatch silliness (that look of fear would quickly turn to $$ signs as the local businesses realized just how much money we tended to spend).

All night barbecues. Stupid human tricks. A rolling party where the cast of characters kept changing. A bunch of young, testosterone filled guys spending money as fast as we made it to try and blot out the inherant dangers of the work we were doing...

I never made it rich. In fact, I pretty much left the business with my last paycheque and a paid for camper-bus that's been sitting gathering dust at my Uncle's farm ever since.

I promised myself I would never, ever go back to work in the oilpatch. But that someday, I would resurect the "Jimmy Jeezus Water Walker Bus" and take a few months tramping around the province just for the fun of it.

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10:41 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Only old people own RVs
..and your point is...? Folks, I think we're looking at the next RV'er from Foo, he's just in that final denial stage. Step on up sonny, the ride is great. Be sure to pack your guitar too, there will be plenty of places and opportunity to belt out a few of Jimi's favorites.

3 inch pipes? Hmmm, I could look into that, but I suspect my hill climing abilty is hindered by the simple fact that I'm hauling 22 feet of motorhome with a little 318 engine. BTW, the brakes have been repaired. It's comforting to know, as I boondock out back, that I can stop the vehicle if I ever need to.

RE: the hill story. I told that story to a group of people over in Utah one evening ( a couple of days later) while sitting around a campfire. A voice spoke up, "That was you? We were in the car right behind you". When they passed us, we all smiled and waved out the windows. They thought we were going so slow because it was fun to create a miles long traffic jam on the open highway.

lawman

11:23 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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he's just in that final denial stage

I'm going kicking and screaming. :)

Lex_Luther

3:53 am on Mar 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've been looking into the small toyota campers. I guess they stopped importing the duallie cab and chassis as all I see are 15 yrs and older. I do like the older ones just the campers themselves are usually worn. But I love the idea of a duallie toyota with the 22r motor, can't kill'em. I wish they would import more of thier trucks into the US especially the diesals.

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7:09 am on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We have a nice 32-footer parked in a family campground near an excellent beach (Grand Bend, ON). It's our summer place. No laptops allowed. No TV. It's all about beer and fire, every weekend. Friends visit, we roast jalapenos and chat until the dew starts to settle.

Growing up, our family had a tow trailer that we'd haul behind the '72 LeMans to... all over Ontario. Camping was our second home, and I am grateful that while being raised by a couple of computer geeks (both my parents were IT professionals), I was instilled with a love of the outdoor adventure, scoutcraft, tree identification, canoeing, and making fire by rubbing sticks together.

Now that I have a child of my own, I can pass along the same experiences and relive many of the same adventures. The trailer is our base camp for nature walks, sand castles, bike rides... then after night falls it's all about beer and fire.

In the pitch black skies away from city lights, I've started re-learning all the summer constellations; every weekend for an entire summer we would find, identify, and learn a new one. Corona borealis, Draco, Ursa Minor, Cassiopea, Lyra... as the summer progresses we notice their positions shifting and changing, wobbling from May to September when Orion begins to creep higher in the sky.

Of course, the stereotype is the retired couple who trade in their home for an enormous Winnebago and go driving the behemoth from WalMart to WalMart, collecting souvenir spoons. Yes, they are out there, but that's not the only demographic.

Owning an RV is not a geriatric thing. It's a cushy version of camping, which - when you remove the discomfort of roughing it with inflatable mattresses and damp tents - provides a perfect balance against the "wired-in tech" lifestyle of a webmaster.

And... hello! Portable barbecue! NISM?

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7:41 am on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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RV's are great, as long as they are the floating variety.....boats!

I've never been into the driving thousands of miles thing, somehow, doing the same thing on the water is so much more fun!

The land lubbers often have more luxury, but, I believe the Salty SeaDogs have more fun. If riding 20ft waves is your idea of fun! Must admit 3 hours of that is enough for me on any trip!

There is always something "cool" about being independent in your own environment, at home with nature. Whether land or water based, I love the concept! My preference is for the water, but, those that tackle the land are better than those that choose to be couch potatoes IMHO!

grandpa

10:29 am on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One of my favorite authors, John Steinbeck, traveled both by land and by sea. In 'Travels With Charley - In Search of America' he treks about the North Eastern coast of Canada and US in a decked out pickup truck. I've wanted to retrace his route for a long time, but I seem to be stuck in the Pacific Northwest. Another book, 'The Log from the Sea of Cortez' has him boating around the Baja Penisula. I've sailed past there a couple of times myself, on a large ship out at sea. The Baja coastline was just barely visible in the distance. Great blue water and lots of creatures to be seen.

larryhatch

12:01 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi Grandpa: I read Steinbeck's 'Travels with Charley' in the 1960s, about the same year (1964)
that I took my first trip around North America in an Oldmobile. 12,500 miles in all.
I think Steinbeck made much the same full circuit.

RVs? You either love them or hate them.

I made a rough mental calculation of what an RV costs, plus tires, repairs,
fuel especially, and figure you come out ahead staying at cheap motels.
After a day of driving I don't WANT to sleep in the same damned box.

Burning $3 gas up a long grade at 40 MPH, dragging my own dirty dishes
and laundry etc. just doesn't appeal to me.

The first USA trip was in a 1950 Olds. 20 years later (1985) I did it again in a 1979 Olds.
I drove halfway to Europe on that one! (St. Johns, Newfoundland), including a long ferry ride,
Olds included (then $40 Canadian each way). I couldn't imagine doing that with an RV.

What do you do with an RV when you are NOT using it?
Nobody wants one parked on my Redwood City, CA street. -Larry

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12:31 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When we go camping, it seems like everyone in America owns an RV. The campgrounds are so packed they look like little RV cities.

We're "van" campers. We park wherever we want and sleep in our Astrovan.

larryhatch

12:53 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When I go travelling, and after seeing the sights, I like to 'camp' in a motel.
Preferably a cheap motel, very near a bar and a restaurant but not all one business.
That way, when they throw me out of the bar, I still have a room and a place to eat. -Larry

lawman

1:00 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I decide where I want to go. If I can drive there in a day, I drive. Otherwise I fly.

Oh yeah, before I go, I check out the internet for a nice place to rent. This summer I'm taking my wife, son, two daughters, two grandkids, and one son-in-law to HHI. I rented a house in Palmetto Dunes [maps.google.com] with a pool and lots of bathrooms (4). That's my idea of roughing it.

larryhatch

1:16 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There is something about the open road that really appeals to me.
I like the drive to Phoenix, AZ (for example) more than I like Phoenix itself.

I like to stop at quirky little places along the way, and I can smoke in the car.
The good thing about air travel is you don't get stuck behind an RV.
That doesn't help much when you need a cigarette or just want to pee on a cactus. -Larry

Conard

1:54 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We did the RV thing for a few years and went back to tent camping.
I like being able to get into places the big rigs cant because of size.
My latest hobby, geocaching, combines long hikes in nature with a GPS and an old Palm Pilot tricked out to let me see where we are going and what we may find when we get there.

I try to take at least one day a week for hiking and when the weather warms a bit here in the N.E. we have several weekend trips planned.

bose

7:05 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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why, but why Webwork?

Just when I had decided I am not going to think anymore about gettin an RV. Well, sorta, at least for a while...

Webwork

7:26 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just for the hell of it bose . . or the adventure of it. :)

I've tent camped all over the country, in all manner of tents including a little 2 person tent we used for our honeymoon. The RV was just another outdoors adventure, inspired by my father who year after year would go to RV shows and talk about RVs, but never buy one.

Looking at RVs from the perspective of environmental friendliness and energy consumption I'm a bit conflicted, but when you consider the energy that would go into all elements of building and running a hotel/motel there's a few points to be argued about the RV not being much worse a burden. Not a very good rationalization, I know. :)

My current thoughts on the RV rehab is to a) use it as a poor man's beach house, keeping it for the summer at one of those campgrounds near the beach; and, b) using it to take my web projects mobile as some of them related to travel and tourism. I'm planning on building a little web development area into the RV as part of the rehab.

Did someone say "business expense"? Hmmmmm.

I have to admit that I'm more at home with the campfire crowd than I am with the Gucci and Armani crowd. Nothing wrong with rich folk. Been there, done that. I just feel more at home in sweatshirts and sweatpants. Also, no amount of money can buy a nicer night sky than the one that hovers over many a campground, where you and the conversation can drift off into space to the sound of crackling fires and owls, surrounded by shadows projected by licks of flame playing on the trees and forest floor. Does my pagan soul a world of good to sit by a fire in the outdoors at night. There be elves in those woods, ya know? And monsters too if'n yer not careful or ready for 'em. :)

I'm thinkin' I'm needin' a fix of the great outdoors. :)

bose

8:11 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm thinkin' I'm needin' a fix of the great outdoors. :)

exactly, I think I've been bitten by the same bug...

Thats why I was thinking why does he have to bring this up right when I am trying to look up a local chapter of Outdoors Anonomous. hehe :)

bakedjake

12:16 am on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'll wave at ya'll from my Cessna. ;-)

digitalghost

12:36 am on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well now, take me up in the Cessna, and I'll jump to the campfire Webwork is working on... (with a chute)

Y'all ever pack your gear on a horse and just ride out to nowhere? Spend a couple days with your back against a tree and a good book in your hands? Catch fish with a fly? Eat same. (the fish ;)) Let the horse find water? Ride up to the ranch house because you can smell apple pie and coffee? Offer to split wood if the Missus cooks...

httpwebwitch

6:13 am on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'll wave at ya'll from my Cessna.

I'd invite you and Rae up to our beach-summer-place this summer, but I don't think you'd be able to handle our "no blogging" rule.

But seriously if you do want to drop in this summer for beer and fire (and roasted jalapenos), I believe there is a little airstrip in Bayfield...

bakedjake

6:32 am on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dunno about Bayfield, but the airport in Goderich is one of my favorites. Absolutely beautiful approach over the lake. I was just up there the weekend before last.

annej

8:10 am on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well we started out backpacking. DH carried a pack bigger than our kids when they were little. Then we got into sailing and sailed for some 20 years, now we RV for several months a year. Seems like there is a trend to comfort here. ;)

PS that frig story sound's awfully familair.

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