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What Is The Federal Government

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lawman

8:00 pm on Mar 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Oh I know what it has come to mean in contemporary terms. But since "federalism" describes a system in which sovereignty is constitutionally divided between a central governing authority and constituent political units, wouldn't it be more proper to use the terms national government and state government?

DrDoc

9:03 pm on Mar 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sure it would ...
Or, simply just government and state government.

I'm curious ... what has it come to mean in contemporary terms? I only ever hear it in reference to the "national" governement, over which state and other local have no power.

bedlam

10:00 pm on Mar 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That's not the only meaning of the word though--

"federal [google.com]" is also an adjective used to describe something belonging to a federation... Seems a pretty good word to describe the national government of a country called the "United States of America"...

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Pfui

10:44 pm on Mar 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When I studied U.S. federalism (albeit a long time ago), I recall its constitutional crux lay in the 10th Amendment [house.gov] (Bill of Rights):

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

My personal take on federalism is it's when the U.S. government trumps state governments. Anti-federalism is the other way around -- and arguably, more in keeping with the Founders' language, above.

Of course, conflicting views [law.umkc.edu] of the delicate balance between state and national governmental powers are the stuff of which landmark laws (and/or law school exams, and/or massive message board threads:) are made.

Lex_Luther

11:51 pm on Mar 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thats a good post Pfui.

I especially like this sentence: "Anti-federalism is the other way around -- and arguably, more in keeping with the Founders' language, above."

Which unfortunatly seems to have been forgotten by the federal government, and given up by the states in thier pursuit of uneeded funding.

[edited by: lawman at 1:04 am (utc) on Mar. 20, 2006]

lawman

1:06 am on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why did you call the national govt the federal govt? In any event, let's endeavor to discuss the political system without getting into politics.

DrDoc

4:17 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why did you call the national govt the federal govt

Because it is a federal govt. Most industrialized countries have that system. The USA does, Sweden does ...

That's not the only meaning of the word though--

"federal" is also an adjective used to describe something belonging to a federation... Seems a pretty good word to describe the national government of a country called the "United States of America"...

I was talking about the USA when I said that I have only heard it in a "national government" context.

DrDoc

4:18 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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And I would still like to hear what the meaning of "federal" would be in more contemporary terms, as I have yet to hear "federal" being used for a non-federal system structure. :)

DrDoc

4:20 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As it relates to govt:

  • Of, relating to, or being a form of government in which a union of states recognizes the sovereignty of a central authority while retaining certain residual powers of government.
  • Of or constituting a form of government in which sovereign power is divided between a central authority and a number of constituent political units.
  • Of or relating to the central government of a federation as distinct from the governments of its member units.
  • Relating to or formed by a treaty or compact between constituent political units.
  • lawman

    11:38 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    I'm curious ... what has it come to mean in contemporary terms?

    In contemporary terms, federal government means national government. Sorry, I thought it was obvious.

    Lex_Luther

    12:57 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    I think the feds are knocking on my door....

    Lex_Luther

    1:23 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    nevermind, just my buddhist priest with some green tea.

    Key_Master

    2:34 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    The United States of America is a federal republic, a form of government in which the powers of the central government are limited. The term National Government would imply national powers and legal authority that do not exist, as the individual states also yield powers and legal authority that are separate from and not shared with the central government. In fact, there are occasions when state enacted law violates federal law.

    Hurricane Katrina also made this point very clear. The local and state governments had to grant the federal government permission to assist in the rescue and reconstruction, were slow to do so, resulting in and continuing to be, one of the worst government responses to a natural disaster in the history of the United States.

    lawman

    6:08 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    The United States of America is a federal republic

    A federation can exist without it being a republic and vice versa. We can save "republic" for another thread.

    The term National Government would imply national powers and legal authority that do not exist,

    Is it your position that using the term National Government implies something different than using the term Federal Government when referring to the same entity? If so, what is the implication when using the term Central Government?

    as the individual states also yield powers and legal authority that are separate from and not shared with the central government.

    Yes, I agree. See my definition first post.

    DrDoc

    9:31 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    "Federal" is, by definition, vague ...

    oneguy

    4:40 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    a form of government in which the powers of the central government are limited.

    Well... up until the federal legislative and judicial branches decided everything falls under the interstate commerce clause.