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rpking

10:47 am on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

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What amount of traffic do European regional Yahoo!s send? I know that Yahoo UK sends a decent amount of traffic compared to Yahoo.com, so does this apply in Germany, Spain etc?

I have struggled through and submitted our site to about 5 of the regional varieties (using babelfish to find the correct category - hope I got lucky!), and I'm wondering what results I might get.

How soon do sites get indexed? Is it faster than .com - there didn't seem to be many sites in the categories I was submitting to, so are they filling them with entries rapidly?

Also, am I correct in assuming that there is no business express for these Yahoo!s, as no payment forms appeared. A bit unnerving not to get presented with a payment request these days...

rencke

12:12 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

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1. Yahoo traffic amounts. That's the sort of info that we are trying to collect systematically here for each of the European countries since a month back. Early days yet, but if you check the countries you are interested in, there may be something on that. Generally, the #1 directory in each country is not Yahoo, but something local. Still, Yahoo is a respectable traffic generator in the few countries where they are represented. There is some good info for you in this thread:
[webmasterworld.com...]

2."using babelfish to find the correct category" "I'm wondering what results I might get"
Babelfish huh? So do I. So do I. Be sure to tell us if you make it. If you used Babelfish to translate the site description, their editors may be dead by now - from laughing.

3. Have checked a number of Yahoo's European submit pages and found this:
Sweden: "If your site is foreign, you should submit it to one of our sister Yahoos"
Germany: Site must be in German language.
Denmark: Nothing about language, but no sites listed in any other language as far as I could see.
Norway: Same as Sweden.
France: "If your site is only in English, German, Swedish, Danish, Spanish, Italian, Norwegian, Korean or Japanese, then you should submit it to the corresponding local Yahoo."
Italy: Sites in Italian only.
UK & IrelandWill not take sites in languages other than English, if there is a local Yahoo for that language.
Spain Sorry, couldn't read the instructions, but my guess is that Spanish is mandatory.

Re time frame. Have seen reports that they are pretty quick. Your big problem will be local language. Without it, you will not make it.

No business express, no payment - but good translations will not be cheap.

Anyone else with Yahoo experience who can help rpking out here?

rpking

12:28 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Cheers for the info, all sounds like good news :)

<quote>If you used Babelfish to translate the site description, their editors may be dead by now - from laughing.</quote>

Luckily the site has already been professionally translated, so the descriptions are there for me, and content should be appropriate.

I just used Babelfish to find the category ie. paste the category path from Yahoo.com and translate to find relevant words, then search for categories containing those words. Babelfish seemed to work very well for this, so I'll keep you posted on traffic etc. if/when I get listed.

rencke

12:45 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>sounds like good news
You had me worried there for a while.

Listen, when you've made it into these local Yahoo's, could you make a note of the time lapse and post it in this thread? A lot of people would be really interested in that, including yours truly.

Another thing many are curious about is how you handled the professional translations and what you had to pay for them. In this country, professionals charge 2 sek per word equal to about 20 cents US, but I have a hunch that it could be a lot less expensive locally, especially in southern and eastern Europe.

rpking

1:07 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

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OK, the Yahoo European Magical Mystery Tour Starts here!

On 15/11 submitted to:

Espanol (Spain)
Deutsch (Germany)
Italiano (Italy)
Portugues (Portugal)
Norsk (Norway)
Svensk (Sweden)

These are the relevant directories for the languages that we offer. I will post again with any news.

Regarding translations...

Our internet office is located in the centre of a large university city in England. We have a system where we pay language students for translations of the text needed, which then get checked by a tutor. This translated text is then used by our inhouse designers to produce the foreign pages - a bit of a nightmare with Chinese etc!

As the majority of the site is dynamic, this is a good (and cheap!) system as the same phrases and sentences are used repeatedly in the page generation process. The amount of prose on our site is relativly small, and very static.

BTW, we also have a traditional Chinese translation. I was contemplating the overwhelming problem of finding the correct category etc., when I realised that our site's content, although non-adult, could be classed as inappropriate. I have emailed Yahoo! China for clarifiction on this matter.

rencke

4:13 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>language students
Second best to slave labour, would you say? 5 cents per word - or less?

If you sticky-mail me the url, I'll be happy to have a quick look at the Swedish for you.

rpking

4:27 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Having just discussed this with our webmaster, it seems that our increase in profits has resulted in us spending a lot of money for a professional translation company.

The students have to be happy with proof reading now.

This shames me; I reckon that the average student body has a lot to offer ;)

Seriously though, there are many foreign students at universities who I am sure would provide a very high level of translation at reasonable rates. I'm sure an email to language departments would result in a lot of takers. I know that my flatmate, a language graduate, would have jumped at the chance for some cash when he was a student. Compared to degree standard stuff, the average web page would be fairly simple fodder, especially if the student was a native of that country.

rencke

12:33 am on Nov 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



British universities abound with foreign students. I suppose it is the green fields of England and the pubs that attract them. So yes, that would be a huge asset for you. Surprised that you went for professionals with that resource at hand. What is the going rate in Britain these days? (Per word for stuff with HTML markup.)

Rumbas

10:59 am on Nov 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Hi rpking!

I really like your effort to support the local european catagories of Yahoo etc. I t helps us natives to get more focus on these traffic providers as well - hence more relevant traffic.
Yahoo.dk is very quick to list sites if submitted correctly.

I'm from Denmark - if you'd like a look at some of your pages.

rpking

10:41 am on Nov 29, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Quick update - 2 weeks since submission and no sign of entry as of yet in any European Yahoo.

Rumbas

11:09 am on Nov 29, 2000 (gmt 0)

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2 weeks?
Yahoo Denmark is a bit more fast, and it often dosen't take more than a week or so.

Guess that's because we don't produce that many sites here in this little country ;)

rpking

11:17 am on Nov 29, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Sadly don't have a Danish version - yet ;)

One week is fantastic! What's the traffic like?

Rumbas

11:26 am on Nov 29, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately Yahoo.dk ranks between the 3rd or 4th most used "search site" - hence a low trafic provider. Though the conversions from here are ok compared to the spidering engines, but that's another issue.

Yahoo.dk has not the penetration here as in other European countries and the US.
Jubii.dk is the absolute market leader.

rpking

11:46 am on Dec 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

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3 weeks gone and still no sign of any submissions being accepted.

Anybody got experience of the time periods involved for these Yahoo!s?

Espanol (Spain)
Deutsch (Germany)
Italiano (Italy)
Portugues (Portugal)
Norsk (Norway)
Svensk (Sweden)

I really hope my hours of struggling to find the appropriate category in 6 different languages wasn't in vain :(

rencke

6:29 pm on Dec 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Mailed your question to Yahoo Sweden a few hours ago and just got this reply back:

Hej!
Eftersom Yahoo! granskar och katalogiserar alla sajter som läggs in i databasen manuellt, tar detta lite tid. För närvarande ligger vi lite efter, då vi får in ett hundratal förslag varje dag och man kan tyvärr inte räkna med en direkt behandling, men vi jobbar på så snabbt vi kan!
MVH Frida, Yahoo! Sverige

which, in case you don't speak our language, translates into:

Hi!
Since Yahoo checks all sites manually before they are added to the database, this takes a little time. We are running behind schedule at present, since we are getting about one hundred submissions every day and one cannot count on being processed right away, but we are working as fast as we can.
Regards Frida, Yahoo! Sweden

From this answer we can safely deduce that there is at least one person working there - Frida - and that they have a big backlog.

Patience is a virtue, rpking. This may be the biggest chance you ever had to become virtuous. ;)