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I'm starting to get more complex SEO work here in .dk and wondered if you might tell me which directories would be worthwhile with a view to google PR.
Thanks
Nick
Jubii and Gule Lins (sol.dk) should give some but they don't. I think it's because of the way they have implemented the redirect links. Most directories use some kind of jump link for statistical puposes but it just doesn't work for theese directories.
Jubii is coding the link like this: /jubii.dll?Redir&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2esite%2ecom
I don't think there would be any problems if they left out the uniode:
/jubii.dll?Redir&URL=http://www.site.com
Gule Links use a link which look like this:
[sol.dk...]
You may be able to find other directories which do pass on PR but they wont deliver any traffic.
Can't seem to get into Yahoo.dk for love nor money. They have no paid inclusion right?
Nick
/Ove
I'll check it out, thanks...
Nick
I do not agree with your view on PageRank. If you think Yahoo and ODP is the only two directories that will help your linkpopularity you are limiting yourself very much. I do not agree with your conclusion on Jubii. Could your advise have anything to do with the fact that your company make a profit on all Danish Yahoo submissions - and not on Jubii? I think you should be honest about your commercial relationship when making such recomandations.
Besides the major directories there are many sites for every vertical market (even in DK) that you will gain greatly from having indbound links from.
In many cases, I would say, that the linkpop from Yahoo is not worth the money - you can do better with just ODP and the other (free) links. Yahoo do NOT have the reach in Denmark (with search) as you see most other places, so don't expct to get your money back in direct traffic (for many markets). Actually, almost the same number of danes chose Yahoo.com over Yahoo.dk (evem though they do not get Danish directory listings there).
If what you seek is more PR, I would start out with the other options and then see if you need Yahoo.
Also, I think that the 100% robot-blocking robots.txt we have seen on some Yahoo directories lately question wheather to expect a long term PR value from Yahoo listings - as we have been used to. I would not be surprised if they blocked all crawling of the directory (there must be some pretty heavy crawling going on there at times!)
- and then what is a listing in Yahoo worth? Still some, yes, but if no spider can crawl the directory you won't gain any PR for that. I don't think you run that risk with ODP (and besides, it's free to submit)
Nick
The rest depends on your vertical market - as for any other region. Its basically the most prominent hubs in your business that you'll be loking for, locating the key player in your field - the ones that everyone else respect and link to and from. I bet you've seen some of all the good advice around for linbuilding activites.
My point was just, that if you need to gain higher PR for a Danish site there may be better, cheaper, ways to do it than through Yahoo Express Submission.
But Jobii does not pass PR.
It is however a good source of traffic for my clients, so I always advise they pay to get in there.
Looking at the client stats, most traffic comes from google.com and google.yahoo.dk
Nick
I just published the stats from the Danish search engine realted site: Joyzone.dk. This is a very well optimized local website with good rankings across most engines. As you will se Google send more trafic now than ever and the dominance is dramatic. For the ones that can read Danish, here is the links to my search referrer stats (you might be able to get the basic idea, even if you don't read Danish):
www.joyzone.dk/soegemaskiner/ubb/Forum26/HTML/000028.html
One comment might be that I allways did very very good in Google for all my sites - including this one, and that may bias things a little. But even if you compare keyword by keyword on keywords that have the same good rankings Google delivers 3 times more visitors than Jubii. On top of that comes the fact that Jubii (and other directories for that sake) only send me trafic on a handfull of searh phrases - Google send trafic to Joyzone from more than 1300 different searches within a single month so which makes the fifference in referrers even bigger. For a site targeting such a small vertical as Joyzone (Danish SEO's) that is a lot :)
Maybe my argument about PR from Jubii is wrong. However, the fact remains that Jubii doesn’t pass on any PR.
My advice hasn’t got anything to do with our Yahoo partnership. We make a profit on all Danish directories and so can any other SEO company if they ask nicely.
I agree that there are many other sources of PR but Nick asked about directories and he got my opinion. However, directories are the easiest way of getting PR and it is common knowledge that Yahoo acts as a Googlebot trigger, passes on PR and delivers traffic.
Regarding the robot-blocking robots.txt I don’t believe that Yahoo would block out their partner. I’m sure that Google will ignore the robots.txt on Yahoo.
If you know of any directories/vortals which will give PR for free or at a reasonable price I’m sure that I’m not the only one who would like to know.
Torben
Have you tested chart.dk? I'm not sure if a link from them gives PR.
Troels
I hate Danish search engines. :p
>hate the Danish se's
I DON'T! Gotta feel the love ;)
