Backdoor to T-online?

[heini]

Trying to get a grip on the new T-online websearch there are some unknown factors:

- allesklar.de This small privately held company not only provides secondary listings to MSN.de. Their listings also go to T-online. But where are they?

- Business and private homepages hosted by T-Online do appear with a t-online subdomain above the regular Fast results. Fascinating... but how are they ranked?

- Overture results - when do they start, how many will be displayed, will there be adiitional ads/paid listings from T-Online content/shopping partners?

[oLeon]

allesklar.de appears here [directory.t-online-business.de], buried within the t-online site.

Both results (t-online and FAST) are delivered by FAST. Have a look above the results. You can also click on "T-Online Ergebnisse" (where only results from the t-online domain appear) and on "Internet Ergebnisse" (where FAST results appear). I guess that FAST separates its result in "T-online" and "rest", before delivering of the results to t-online.
That´d mean that the results from T-online also are ranked by the FAST-Algo.

Overture should start this week. There should be displayed 3 above the SERPS.

[heini]

>allesklar.de appears here, buried within the t-online site.
wow, never seen this section before :)
Wonder how effective a listing in that business directory is...

>Both results (t-online and FAST) are delivered by FAST

Those "T-Online Ergebnisse" are not included in the regular Fast db.
I guess you are right - Fast search technology is in place to answer the queries. But nevertheless those subdomain.via.t-online.de results do not go to Fast's db.
The allesklar results in turn do not show in regular SERPs along with the subdomain.via.t-online results.

If I get that right the most effective thing to do would be to get hold of a private T-online webpresence, free for all T-online customers, i.e. home.myname.t-online.de and get on top of the regular SERPs for free.

[Rumbas]

>get hold of a private T-online webpresence
Exactly my thought when I saw Oleon posting this.
Never seen an ISP offer this kind of service. The closest would be Yahoo groups etc. where you can search within these results at the Groups area, but never on top of the regular SERPS?

How do you submit to Allesklar?
There's something there about them opening in "wenigen Tagen" (few days)?

[pgsbs]

T-online is bringing my Dutch site a lot of traffic and I've never even submitted my site... This is good!

[heini]

>lot of traffic and I've never even submitted
No need to submit to Fast, they are coming. Interesting though that you get traffic for a dutch site, wouldn't have thought.

>Allesklar: don't see any delay notice, submissions are possible. Last time it was ~one week before the listing showed.

[heini]

Backdoors are shut! The "T-online Ergebnisse", on default searches shown in the section above regular listings, do not show privately held t-online subdomains any longer. Instead appropriate(?) sections of T-online's channels show up. On more specific queries links to T-online help section come up...

All in all serps look very messy. In the regular section on some queries, like "Bücher" (=books) up to 8 Overture listings are displayed. Meaning that you have to be in the top two on Fast to be on the first page at T-online.

I can't help feeling that those serps will only help Google. The traffic coming from T-Online, by far the most visited site in Germany reflects this clearly.