How long it takes into german SE-indexes

[oLeon]

I thought itīs a good idea to collect all our experience regarding the time german SE need getting your page into their indexes. (of course also international SE which are important for the german market)

Abacho.de = 1 week
Altavista.de = 2 weeks
Acoon = 4-6 weeks
Fireball = within 3 days
Google = 4-10 weeks
FAST = 4-8 weeks
Infoseek.de = no update since Nov ī00
Excite.de = 6-9 months (last update Apr 27, 2001)
Speedfind = 2 weeks
Lycos.de = see FAST

Altavista.com = 3 days

Inktomi = paid within 3 days, non-paid...?

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MSN = results from Allesklar and Inktomi
AOL = results from ODP and Inktomi
T-Online = Infoseek.de
Freenet = results from Dino-Online and Inktomi
Yahoo = ...Google as backup
Hotbot.de = Inktomi
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any comments, thoughts?

[rencke]

This is an excellent idea, oLeon. We should really have this sort of info for all countries. So far no one has protested your figures and if no one does during the next few days, I will add it into the German Search Engines overview.

[heini]

Just one remark: lycos.de does not update with Fast (as does lycos.com). Since they switched to Fast, they havenīt updated at all.
Web.de in fact is in tune with Fast, reflecting updates immeadiately.

[heini]

About Lycos.de: It was in the end of february that lycos switched to Fast. So it appears they are taking every second update of Fastīs db, meaning inclusion time is approximately 8-12 weeks.

[Blossoms]

In the USA: You submit to DMOZ if you have a really legitimate site and then pay Looksmart and Inktomi as well. You don't have to really submit to an SE like Google or Lycos, correct? In Germany: If you are submitting the same site as you just submitted in the USA, you create one German language page (with what meta language tags?) and then submit to Fireball as an SE and then to Inktomi.de and Looksmart.de? Or did you already pay those people in America to handle you worldwide? This latter question is crucial! Also, for Germany: If you are submitting an entirely separate German site, do you go to inktomi.de and looksmart.de and dmoz.org and that will cover you for all the main German SEs and directories? I saw above that someone is talking about Lycos.de as if that isn't already covered by Looksmart and the DMOZ. Lets not waste time here. If Lycos submissions are covered by a DMOZ or Looksmart submission, I don't need to know about it, right? What minimum amount of "submitting" really is necessary to do to get your site submitted for 95% of the SEs and directories in the USA, Britain and Germany? Those countries have 95% of the world's money.

[rencke]

Welcome to the European forum, Blossoms.

It seems that you are looking for a strategy that will give you the greatest possible global reach with the smallest possible cost in terms of translations. This is an interesting question, not before discussed in this forum.

USA+UK+Germany won't take you far though. Together they account for only 41.3% of the world's economy, not the 95% that you assume. Not even adding all of the 15 European Union nations (28.2%) to the USA (29.6%) and Canada (2.0%) is going to get you further than 59.8% of the world's income.

To reach 95%, you will need the 50 first countries in this document from the World Bank [worldbank.org] but that will involve many more languages than you would likely want to handle.

Looking at the World Bank figures from a language perspective, it seems to me that you could optimize at 78% of the world's economy by using English, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, French, German and Italian. That would probably be the most cost effective alternative.

As to your other questions: Submitting to OPD should get you into Google and all the Fast based engines (incl. Lycos and 40 others [webmasterworld.com]) automatically. There is no Inktomi.de, you would have to contact and pay their agents in the US. You can get a good picture of the relative importance of the Inktomi based engines in the Germany discussion [webmasterworld.com] in this forum.

If you are serious about reaching Europe, I suggest that you read the European SEO strategy primer [webmasterworld.com]. It will give you the basics quickly. Also check our Asian forum [webmasterworld.com], where there is a wealth of facts on Asian engines and directories.