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Macguru

8:13 pm on Apr 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I am trying since a while to get one site listed in ODP. There is currently no editor for this category. What should I do to finally get listed?

Xoc

2:38 am on Apr 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Volunteer to become an editor.

Woz

2:51 am on Apr 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Good question Macguru,

I am in the same boat having submitted to two categories where there is no editor. So far there has also been no activity. I am assuming that after a certain period of time an email would be appropriate to the editor of the next directory up the tree. If so, how long should one wait in this case?

Onya
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Robert Charlton

5:03 am on Apr 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'm in the same boat too (let's hope it's not a sinking ship).

Following advice I've read on the board here, I waited a month (+) after my first submission and then emailed the next editor up... and, following instructions posted on ODP, I didn't use the email to resubmit, but simply to advise the editor of the situation. Nicest letter you can possibly imagine :). It's been almost three weeks on that one. Wondering what to do next....

And... the next two sites I'm about to submit are both to categories with no editors as well.

wolfy

8:42 am on Apr 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Normally the editor of the upper category should edit unreviewed sites of a "no editor" category, however this may not happen and you'd have better to submit the site directly in the upper one.
If they don't publish the site or you don't get any response, I suggest you to try to become the editor of the category of your interest so the site will surely published.
bye

Laisha

2:01 pm on Apr 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>Normally the editor of the upper category should edit unreviewed sites of a "no editor" category, however this may not happen and you'd have better to submit the site directly in the upper one.

That's not a good idea. You never want to submit to any category but the appropriate one.

What may help is emailing an editor from the category above yours, explaining how long it's been, etc.

Also, applying as an editor is not a bad idea. We can always use more help.

SEO is my Bag Baby

3:26 pm on Apr 3, 2001 (gmt 0)



A hint about applying to become an editor: Make sure to find some really great sites that are *not* yours to submit when you apply as well. Otherwise the person who reviews your application might deny you and say "It looks like you just want to add your own site"

wolfy

7:50 am on Apr 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>That's not a good idea. You never want to submit to any category but the appropriate one.

you're right Laisha, but usually when you try to contact an editor is difficult he answers you, that's way I suggested to submit the site in the upper category putting a note to the editor like : I've tried several times to submit my site in the proper cat but no response till now etc..

bye

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Macguru

3:05 pm on Apr 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hi you all,
Sorry, have been out of reach since I posted this topic. I believe it would not be appropriate for me to apply to become and editor just to get one site listed. I doesn't seem fair for all those who do real volonteer work. Also I would not qualify because I dont know enough about this category. ( I am a glass artist, it is a speciality) Since I am trying to get this site listed for almost 6 months, I think it is appropriate to mail the upper level editor about the situation. I have been submitting every month whitout the site beeing ever visited by an ODP editor. I read this listing would affect rankings in a big way on other major SE.

Thank you all!

sean1492

1:31 pm on Apr 5, 2001 (gmt 0)



Laisha,

It sounds like you're affiliated with dmoz, so maybe you can answer a couple questions or clear up some misconceptions of mine.

I was under the impression that it was an absolute no-no to become an editor primarily to get your own sites listed.

From what I've heard, the dmoz meta-editors are very picky about who they allow to become editors, but it seems that a LOT of the editors have abandoned their categories, or at least ignore incoming requests. Like a couple of other people here, I've submitted a couple of sites a few times, and they haven't been added over the course of months.

If I were an editor, I'd be checking on a daily basis. I'd get the updates done and answer my email promptly.

I'm sure that the answer to this is "some of the dmoz editors are very busy with many categories and sometimes have trouble catching up, in spite of the fact that they're working very hard". Well, the obvious answer to this would seem to be that maybe the meta-editors shouldn't be so picky when people are applying to be editors. Get more volunteers in there to share the load.

And if an occasional "bad" editor gets in there, would it be that much trouble to get rid of them?

kctipton

5:23 pm on Apr 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

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If you are applying just to get your sites listed, then don't do it.

If you are applying because you are an enthusiast about the topic and you can be fair with your sites and the competition's sites, then applying is encouraged.

kfander

5:56 pm on Apr 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

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In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with applying to become an editor in order to add your own site, although it shouldn't be necessary. The problem develops if, after you are accepted, your only interest continues to be your site.

A lot of us became editors in order to add our own sites - or at least came to the directory for that reason.

Usually, when someone develops a site, its subject is one that he or she has an interest in.

When I became an editor a couple of years ago, the first site that I added was .. no surprise, my own site. But I didn't designate it as a cool site, nor did I manipulate my title or description, or in any other way treat other sites in the category unfairly.

And more importantly, I quickly developed an interest in the directory itself and, although I can edit anywhere in the directory now, I've left my original category to those who came behind me, and haven't touched the listing on that first site (mine) that I added since January of 1999.

Now, rather than using the ODP to advance my personal interests, it has become one of my personal interests.

So, while it is true that we tend to look skeptically upon those who want into the ODP primarily to advance their own interests, there's nothing so terribly wrong with having personal interests to advance.

Laisha

9:47 pm on Apr 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Welcome, sean1492.

What kfander said. :)

There are many very good editors who joined just to list their sites, but stayed on to help the directory. There are many reasons to stay and be productive, and that is the hope.

What we do not want are editors who just don't "get it" or those are are interested in their own site to the point that they abuse the directory. Aside from those types, help is help, and we can use all we can get.

Robert Charlton

1:08 am on Apr 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>>Usually, when someone develops a site, its subject is one that he or she has an interest in.<<

This is not necessarily the case. Some of us do this professionally, and we bring our best efforts and expertise, but not our personal lives too.

And some of us put our volunteer efforts in other directions....

The question remains unanswered... what do we do when a category has no editor, and emails to the editor at the next level up get no response?

astein

1:29 pm on Apr 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Me, too, I recently submitted a site (twice) to the ODP without any success and now "This category needs an editor". Fortunately it is not really essential for us (i.e. for our finances ;-) whether this site is being listed or not, even though it would provide some "unique content" to the directory and to its visitors. However, if you want to provide information just for its own sake, this is still annoying... Therefore I tried to find out the number of the "vast army of volunteer editors"; I went to [dmoz.org ] and saved the page and... this simple HTML-file with just the list of editors is 2,48 MB big, so it's quite a looong list... but not long enough to cope with all the active submissions to the ODP, as it appears. Not only is this frustrating for people who do not get their pages into the directory, much more, it is also to the disadvantage of the people who rely on and use the ODP. (Which is a pity.)

NFFC

1:42 pm on Apr 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>what do we do when a category has no editor, and emails to the editor at the next level up get no response?

Just keep moving up the chain, eventually you will strike lucky.

sean1492

2:01 pm on Apr 6, 2001 (gmt 0)



> This is not necessarily the case. Some of us do this professionally, and we bring our best efforts and expertise, but not our personal lives too.

This is my situation exactly. I have websites for an industrial bakery equipment manufacterer, an organization assisting the mentally disabled, and a company that sells yarn - none of which I have any real interest in. I'd like to see these sites get added, but I'd also like to volunteer in one or more groups where I *do* have an interest.

As I understand it, the editor's job is two-tiered. You have to review sites that are submitted to that category, but you are also expected to do a bit of surfing on your own and *find* sites that are appropriate for that category. I actually wouldn't mind helping out in categories where I don't have much interest, if it was just a matter of reviewing and approving submitted sites, but I wouldn't want to have to go surfing for stuff that I don't care about.

BTW - Does anyone have an "in" with dmoz who could post an update when they get this "sendmail fork error" problem fixed? Every day I fill in all the data in the new editor application, and every day it fails.

Laisha

3:49 pm on Apr 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>BTW - Does anyone have an "in" with dmoz who could post an update when they get this "sendmail fork error" problem fixed?

It should be fixed now.

sean1492

4:08 pm on Apr 6, 2001 (gmt 0)



Nope - I just tried it after I read your message:

Unable to fork sendmail

There was a problem with your form:

There has been a failure in processing your form. We will work on it, we hope to have it up soon.
We are sorry for the inconvenience.

Please go back in your browser and resubmit the form.

kctipton

4:11 pm on Apr 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Seems that editor-to-editor feedback is working, but mail from/to the outside of ODP is not working right, yet.

malcom

6:00 am on Apr 7, 2001 (gmt 0)



laisha and kfander gave some good advice, I suggest you follow it. :)
btw, for what its worth i accepted quite a few sites that didn't necessarily have good presentation, but their content was quite exceptional...judging from the yahoo! forums it seems they are a bit more selective...

sean1492

6:49 pm on Apr 10, 2001 (gmt 0)



Forms from the outside seem to be working now.