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chokan

3:53 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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because my recent work,several weeks ago,it's my a workmate.we have a lot of site,so we can't whether they have been suggested to odp,and whether they have been listed in odp.now ,i need a method to settle them.

skibum

4:06 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There is always the ODP pubic forum where you can ask for a status. If you've got lots of similar sites be prepared to hear that they may not be listed if you ask there.

chokan

4:42 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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but,i don't know the address of the odp public forum

skibum

5:42 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Search google for it. Should be easy to find.

chokan

6:35 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just post a thread to ODP ,but they don't qive a good reply,i only want to know a site whether has been listed in odp?

because the web promotion work is very fresh to me ,our company has many customer's website, but now i can't remember which has been listed in ODP.

I hope you can give me a direct answer,thanks!

cornwall

7:07 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I do not wish to appear rude, but if you are dealing with clients web sites, and you do not understand what is going on with getting them exposure across the web.....

...then perhaps you should suggest to them that they hire a separate SEO consultant.

sem4u

8:12 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What was the reply from the ODP forum?

You should really be putting any directory submissions on a spreadsheet so that you have a record of them.

victor

9:01 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just post a thread to ODP ,but they don't qive a good reply

Assuming you have the same user name here as over there, the it looks like:

1. you did not read their guidelines for a properly formatted request; and you posted in the wrong forum. The first reply told you that.

2. you posted in the right forum but did not provide a properly formatted request. The second reply tells you that.

3. you posted here saying that they don't give a "good reply"

Your next step may be to tell your client that you are taking every possible step to annoy the OPD editors.

hutcheson

2:27 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The editors cannot tell you where a site has been submitted -- they do not have that information, or any practical way of getting it.

If you tell what category a site was submitted to, they can check on the submittal. But if you don't know what category the site was submitted to, then you must start all over as if nothing had ever been submitted.

That's not a problem for ODP editors: a site doesn't have to have been submitted for them to review and list it. It's not a problem for professional SEOers that keep accurate records of what they've done. And it's not a problem for a webmaster, who can generally remember whether he's submitted his site. (It doesn't so much matter logically WHERE it was submitted: ODP editors will eventually move it to the right category.)

chokan

1:50 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Becuus ODP annouces that a website can't be submitted one more time.
IF a website that has been already submitted by aother one, but i don't know .thus ,i submit the same website again. I'afraid the submission will be spammed.
so,i want to besure the website whether has been listed by ODP?

hutcheson

2:23 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If the site is really eligible for listing, submitting it one more time in the correct category will not cause you problems.

If the site is not eligible for listing, submitting it once (even if it's never been submitted before) may cause you problems.

The solution is simple and obvious. Make sure that the sites are really eligible for listing, and submit them once.

blaze

2:39 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How long is a good time to wait before posting in the public forum?

Birdman

3:16 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm...I posted in the forum a few times in the first year of waiting but gave up after that. I think it's over two years and running now. I gave up on it. They don't give you any idea of your position on the queue anyway, so the normal response("it's still in the queue") really isn't helpful.

IMO, you're best bet is to 'submit and forget'. If you get in, great. If not, at least you will have been spending your time gathering other links and not wasting time asking their board of your status.

I like the OPD, but it is really slow to add sites in some categories and there isn't anything we can do about that :( <added>Except become editors ourselves</added>

cbpayne

5:50 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>Becuus ODP annouces that a
>website can't be submitted one more time

As hutcheson if its a good listable site, no problems ... If it was to be a problem, I would just get a free email address and submit a competitors site every day ... DMOZ is smarter than that.

>How long is a good time to wait
>before posting in the public forum?

Submit it. Check at public forum after one month that its there. Forget about it.

flicker

1:54 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm getting the feeling there may be a miscommunication going on here. It sounds like Chokan may be trying to figure out whether his sites are *listed* in the ODP already, not whether they have already been submitted. Because search is still down, it may be hard for him to figure that out.

What you're being told is that they're not listed; they may already have been submitted, but we have no easy way of figuring that out. Several editors have advised you to go ahead and resubmit, once, to the one best category. One more submission will not hurt you.

Also, if you're more comfortable in a language other than English, you may want to try asking your question in the Non-English section of our help forum. I'm not permitted to link to it from this site, but if you go to the help forum and scroll down to the World section, you'll find them. The one titled "Non-English" is for all languages that don't have their own forum.

Just an idea. (-:

shady

6:42 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just while we are on the subject, a collegue of mine has been submitting his site to dmoz for 2 years now with no luck and with months in between. He said the last submission was 6 months ago, so I told him I would post on the forum to see what is happening with it.

I posted on the forum but sadly he attempted to submit while I was doing this! It appears that each submission overwrites the previous submission, so effectively if editors are working in date order, this moves the submission back to the bottom of the heap!

This was a sad day for him! I told him never to submit again!

victor

8:23 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Good advice Shady! Once the suggested URL has been recieved than multiple submissions can slow down its review.

Or get it banned automatically ---- as is made clear in the OPD guidelines:

[dmoz.org...]

hutcheson

8:46 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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shady, you gave the right advice. But if someone submitted again, it is not the end of the world. Many editors don't edit in date order (I basically never do.) And each category has its own heap, unrelated to any other category; so an editor working on Pentagated widgets will not be affected by the fact that there are 5000 unreviewed Bigated Widget submittals over three years old just next door.

Occasionally, repeated submittals do cause trouble. Of course, occasionally editors make mistakes and delete submittals accidentally. So the ODP submittal policy is the optimal approach: submit, wait awhile (I'd say three months or so), submit again, then wait a few more months. Asking editors about the site in the forums is optional -- it gives emotional relief to some people and gets a few editor mistakes corrected, but usually doesn't do anything to get a site reviewed more quickly.

chokan

12:37 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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thank you very much!

shady

1:18 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the info Hutcheson. I am intreaged as to in which order editors like yourself do review submissions.

With regard to your point regarding resubmitting, my worry is that the guideline may be 3 months but invariably it takes far longer than 3 months to be granted a listing, in my experience. If the editor does review in date order this could become a never ending circle of misery, which sadly does not appear to be unusual.

Another specific problem is that the section he has submitted to has no editor and neither do the two parent sections. Is anybody responsible for sections such as this.

It is quite odd, actually, as the category is in an extremely competitive, high volume ecommerce market but I guess as such it isn't particularly interesting to look at!

Just for the record, I actually downloaded dmoz recently (for something to do I guess ;-) ) and I was astounded by the size of it. I now realise what an enormous project it is and perhaps have more understanding regarding the delays. I do, however, feel very sympathetic for my collegue who has paid a lot and worked hard to produce a high quality site which is undoubtedly a valid and desirable submission which has been unprocessed for about 2 years :-(

hutcheson

2:52 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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shady, every editor selects his own priorities. That means that from the outside, the order sites are reviewed in will appear to be indistinguishable from chance.

Even if editors review sites in submittal order, your vision of the drudge working down a category 1 site a day/week till the bitter end, corresponds to no observed reality.

What an editor will typically do is dive in, do a dozen (or few dozen) sites, and leave for another six millenia. Or a group of editors will get together and bash at all the unreviewed sites in Arts/Expurgated_Widgets, ignoring altogether the equally ancient submittals in Shopping/Widgets/Expurgated (or vice versa).

And what you say about "competitive categories" is true. Editors focus on areas where it is more likely to have unique content, and easier to determine content is unique. That means competitive categories get neglected. And even when they aren't neglected, an editor can spend hours just cleaning out the spam without listing a single site (perhaps without stumbling over a single site that is obviously listable). So a lot of the work in those categories goes unseen.

victor

8:58 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Shady, for what it's worth, I tend to edit from the bottom.

So I'll do anything in:

regional/country/state/big-city/business/financial-services

and I'll do all of those before I even look at:

regional/country/state/big-city/business/employment

It make take weeks to get up to:

regional/country/state/big-city/

which is the highest I can edit. If (as I always do) I find suggested sites in there that really belong lower down, I shift them down so they will be there for me to review properly the next time I do the lower category.

So a site submitted too high will be missed until the end of my current pass, and then properly positioned for review on my next pass.

That may lead to an apparent "review delay" of several months. (Or it may not. I am not the only editor at work here). The problem, of course, was the original submitter not taking a few moments to correctly position the suggested URL.

And, of course, it does not create an actual "review delay" -- I've not been delayed in any way. It's just the order in which I do things has been affected. It's just affected adversely a site that failed to read the guidelines while benefiting others that did.