How is it that DMOZ

[Laurel]

Listed the site I did NOT submit to them and hasn't listed the site I HAVE submitted to them?

I have been waiting from months to have my main site listed and now my 1 1/2 month old minor site is listed?

anyone?

[Macguru]

DMOZ is filled with sites I did not submit to them. Whats wrong? ;)

[windharp]

Thats a bit difficult wothout knowing the URL... Anyway: Either the editor changed the URL (since he felt its the more apropriate), or he found the other URL by searching himself (and added it independant from your submission), or someone submitted the other URL.

[Laurel]

>>DMOZ is filled with sites I did not submit to them. Whats wrong?<<

Well, I just really want my main site listed.

Thanks you guys. :-)

[creative craig]

I do that alot, search around the web for sites to add on to my local category :)

Craig

[takagi]

Are we talking about the same DMOZ category and if not, the same editor?

[Laurel]

it's a different category and different editor.

[steveb]

I guess I don't have a clue here what you are saying Laurel. If they are different sites in different categories with different editors, what the heck are you talking about?

[Macguru]

Sounds pretty clear. The site he submitted in one cat is still not listed, and a mirror site got listed in a different cat by a different editor, without submitting it himself.

[Laurel]

Macguru, yes that is it exactly!

Should I assume that Dmoz didn't like my main site, even though Google put it in the top 5 for my most used key search words?

Or are the editors for my main site section over at DMOZ just passing it up?

[rogerd]

The length of time for a site to be reviewed for inclusion varies from a couple of minutes to a couple of years. It depends mostly on the category editor.

[Laurel]

>>>The length of time for a site to be reviewed for inclusion varies from a couple of minutes to a couple of years. It depends mostly on the category editor. <<<

I understand that, I know they have a ton of sites to review.

But why/how did they list a site I didn't submitt?

[rogerd]

Some editors add sites they encounter on the web, or even seek out sites to add using search engines, following links, etc. This is what the ideal editor should be doing, but of course most are hard-pressed to keep up with submissions.

[skibum]

Sometimes if ya to submit a keyword-keyword-keyword.com site the editors seem to look around to see if there is an equivalent site like mysite.com. In many cases they seem to list the mysite.com instead of the domain that is keyword loaded.

If that describes your situation that could have been what happened.

[tedster]

Just to clarify, Laurel wrote that a "minor" site did get a listing, not a "mirror" site.

[Macguru]

OOps!

Thanks for the clarification tedster.

[cornwall]

Perhaps Laurel could clarify if "minor" or "mirror" was correct.

In other words are the two sites connected in any way, or are they sites with entirely different content.

Depending on how they are connected there are different answers to laurels's question

[Dynamoo]

Heheh.. now there are people posting that a site is listed BEFORE they submit it. I know it wasn't a complaint, it's just the irony of it all.

Of course, this thread will turn into DMOZ bashing.. it's the usual thing that happens when someone starts a thread about one of the things:

• A site takes ages to get listed
  
• A site gets listed in 15 minutes
  
• A site gets listed before it's submitted
  
• A site doesn't get listed
  
• Somebody makes a comment about how warm it is for this time of year.
  

;)

[steveb]

If the issue is a mirror that is entirely different.

First, it might have been listed because an editor saw it and liked it and added it. ODP is not dependent on submissions, and in many categories most of the sites listed have been found by editors and are not the results of a submission.

The other possibility is that the "minor" site is in fact the true URL. If the "major" site uses a framed redirect or some other mirror tactic, the editor is supossed to ignore the fake/major URL and list the real one. ODP doesn't care about your business plan, it only cares about listing the correct, single location of listable websites.

[Laurel]

It is a miNor site. (NOT miRRor)

the topics are kinda related but not really.

sort of like the major site tells about the history of fruit, and the minor site tells about where to locate oranges.

does that make sense?

[steveb]

Then go back to message 8.

Different editors in different categories do different things. Sites are listed in some categories in ODP every day, while some in other categories aren't, okay?

[rfgdxm1]

My guess is the minor site was added by an editor on his own who found it. Have you asked at Resource Zone about the major site you submitted?

[rfgdxm1]

>Sometimes if ya to submit a keyword-keyword-keyword.com site the editors seem to look around to see if there is an equivalent site like mysite.com. In many cases they seem to list the mysite.com instead of the domain that is keyword loaded.

If so, I would consider that inappropriate editing. Since the owner can have only one of his domains listed in the ODP, I'd say he would be the one to know what he considers the primary site. For example, the owner might have submitted keyword-keyword-keyword.com instead of mysite.com because he intends shortly to abandon mysite.com, because the keyword stuffed domain name is superior for search engines.

[hutcheson]

>But why/how did they list a site I didn't submitt?

The ODP has over 3.5 million sites listed. When one of them didn't you submit?

[choster]

Laurel, I can sympathize, but your scenario may be more common than evidenced on boards such as this with a large SEO presence.

Editors joined to categories in their particular hobby, academic or professional research area, or social/religious/political interest are on the hunt. They may have been frustrated with the difficulty finding of sites about their obscure religion, or want to help the cause of their underrecognized theorist, or want to build a clean listing due to the unfortunate spam that comes up when trying to search on their literary hero, Richard Viagra Debtconsolidation. They scour related links pages, Copernic, high school projects, and the like to be able to list anything remotely useful.

The same cannot be said in other parts of the directory. I doubt any real estate category editor is concerned that someone searching Google for real estate won't be able to find it, or that they haven't received any new submissions in months. She may feel burdened by the volume of submissions, and by meta-editors standing over her shoulder due to past abuse in the category. I wouldn't be surprised if she burned out after a few months and moved on to focus on underwater basketweaving clubs in her hometown.

So it is that a web developer who maintains a dozen commercial categories for his bread and butter, a non-profit or two for spare time and a hobby site for personal entertainment might see the occasionally updated hobby site and the afterthought non-profit listed long before any of the commercial submissions has even been seen by an editor.

[Laurel]

choster, Thank you!

I have a better understanding now!

I guess I found an editor with a love for their "job". :-)
Ya gotta like that!

Thank you ALL for your input! :-)

[Laurel]

>>Have you asked at Resource Zone about the major site you submitted? <<

rfgdxm1, I thought I would wait another month (crawl) and then try that.

Thanks, that is a great idea!

[motsa]

If so, I would consider that inappropriate editing. Since the owner can have only one of his domains listed in the ODP, I'd say he would be the one to know what he considers the primary site...

Editors frequently make a decision about what URL to use when they list a site. In general terms it wouldn't be considered "inappropriate editing" to do so and submitters can (and do) request corrections in some of those situations. Sometimes they get them; sometimes they probably don't.

[rafalk]

If so, I would consider that inappropriate editing.

Even though you may think so, it's not. As motsa said it's called editorial discretion.

[rfgdxm1]

>Even though you may think so, it's not. As motsa said it's called editorial discretion.

Note that I wrote "I would consider that inappropriate editing" and not "such editing would violate the ODP guidelines". By that I meant it is something *I* would never do, rather than editors aren't allowed to do this. I would use editor discretion to favor the domain name preferred by the site owner. Mainly on the theory that only a clueless site owner would submit a URL that he knew wasn't going to be around permanently.