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ODP: Are they a bunch of deadlegs?

         

JudgeJeffries

12:08 am on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can any one explain; if the odp has 3,800,000 sites and 55,000 editors (thats about one editor for every 70 sites) why they are in such a mess and often take over a year to get a site reviewed?

rafalk

5:13 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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JudgeJeffries, if you own 14 sites and you didn't list them as "affiliations" on your application, then your application most surely will be rejected each and every time.

rfgdxm1

6:01 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>You maybe could consider about 6k Editors (maybe more or less at the moment, thats a very old figure) counted as active, consider about 1k Editors (wild guess) as doing 95% of the work.

And for those reading unaware, most ODP editors can edit in just a very small part of the directory. Thus, that there may be over 1,000 editors who just edit the cats in Regional for their hometown doesn't do you any good if you are trying to get listed in Shopping.

cornwall

6:49 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Thus, that there may be over 1,000 editors who just edit the cats in Regional for their hometown doesn't do you any good if you are trying to get listed in Shopping.

Before anyone gets too disillusioned, quoting from an earlier post

>> most of the editing is done by a small proportion of middle- to senior-level editors.

These editors have a wide run of the directory. And most (many!) chunks of ODP have one or more senior editors, who, time willing, can edits hundreds of categories.

steveb

7:45 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Get a tinge of fustration of not being able to get into ODP only after trying about a year not more."

What is your point? That you have spam sites that aren't listable? You aren't saying anything. Lots of people have been trying for a year or more to get sites that don't comply with the guidelines listed. ODP doesn't exist to list non-compliant websites just because somebody wants their site listed.

Surely some sites that deserve a listing don't get one, and some sites that have a listing don't deserve one, but in areas where people volunteer to edit these are tiny exceptions. And then if there is no volunteers for that area the only person to blame is yourself.

If you want to know your status ask at resource-zone. If you want to be sure your interest area is edited, volunteer yourself, don't cry for somebody else to do it.

shady

2:40 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It seems that OD are short of editors but also seem to turn down a high proportion of applications! Yes, they should have standards but perhaps they are a little high.

One of the reasons that OD gets our blood pressure rising, is that we wait..... and wait..... then wait some more and have no idea whether we have been rejected or are in a queue. As editor comments are entered when rejection takes place, perhaps the software could be modified (very simply) to issue a courtesy email to let the poor webmaster know, even if a reason is not given.

A second reason, is that whilst our sites are not being accepted, we can so easily find multiple listings for sites that do not exist. Again, surely an automatic process to monitor dead links would not be hard to implement?

Lastly, my compliments to all proactive and unbiased dmoz editors.

skibum

2:48 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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search Google for "resource zone" to get the forum where you'll be able to check the status of submissions.

There was a thread before with a discussion of putting a "this category needs a new editor" instead of this category needs an editor so recruits would know what categories they might get accepted into right off the bat. Hopefully they'll implement something like that.

shady

3:06 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Skibum

Found the "Open Directory Project Public Forum". This appears to give submission guidelines but doesn't appear to have anywhere which lists submission status. Are you suggesting that I post a question or is there somewhere I can check it myself?

If I was confident in being accepted as an editor, I'd happilly offer my services!

Quinn

3:08 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There was a thread before with a discussion of putting a "this category needs a new editor" instead of this category needs an editor so recruits would know what categories they might get accepted into right off the bat. Hopefully they'll implement something like that.

Has this already happened?

What's the difference between 'Volunteer to edit this category' and 'This category needs an editor'.
And are there a lot more categories now that show no editor at all?

rfgdxm1

3:17 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Has this already happened?

No.

>What's the difference between 'Volunteer to edit this category' and 'This category needs an editor'.
And are there a lot more categories now that show no editor at all?

There was a concern that the old wording was such that some in the public would interpret that as meaning "if I apply there, since there is no editor my submission will be ignored". Often not the case since many small cats without listed editors are in fact reviewed frequently by editors up the tree.

steveb

3:59 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Are you suggesting that I post a question..."

That's how it works.

skibum

6:24 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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what steveb said, include the site, a link to the category and an editor will usually tell you the status of the submission.

There was a concern that the old wording was such that some in the public would interpret that as meaning "if I apply there, since there is no editor my submission will be ignored

Actually I think it was suggested to differentiate categories where a new editor would be likely to get accepted vs those categories (like shopping) where a new editors seems to almost never get accepted.

That way people don't waste their time applying to categories where they will almost surely be rejected.

John_Caius

11:35 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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'This category needs an editor' is changed to 'Volunteer to edit this category' when an edit is made in that category. So if the category says 'TCNAE' then it tells you that no edits have been made since the change of wording sometime in February.

windharp

11:55 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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@John_Caius:

Even better: At the bottom of each category there is a date showing the last edit. No need to do wild guessing :o)

John_Caius

3:30 pm on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well ok, but I never read the small print... ;)

patuo

7:10 pm on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Actually most of the time, the suggestions seem to be regional categories for new editors."

This is a myth. Please read the FAQ and General Advice in the Becoming an Editor forum of the resource-zone.

rfgdxm1

8:18 pm on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As a general rule, the smaller the cat and the less abuse prone of an area it is in, the better the chances of approval.

kfander

11:28 pm on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> They thought I would use my editorship as a vehicle to get all of my sites listed <<

"They" told you this?

I'm guessing that the real point is that you have sites you'd like to have listed ...

I've been trying to get a site listed in Yahoo for free for almost a year now, but you don't see me over there ranting and whining about why they won't list my site; partly, I suppose, because I don't really care if they list it, and trying to get it listed for free is just something I do every once in awhile when I'm like really bored.

motsa

2:09 am on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Submitted URLs from rejected editors are usually still added to the unreviewed queue of the category in question.

Actually, I believe that submissions from rejected applications are not added to the unreviewed queue of the category in question and never have been (unless something has changed recently).

kctipton

3:36 am on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Motsa is correct. You have to be accepted as an editor to get those suggested sites into the queue. Rejected applications are 100% rejected.

John_Caius

3:24 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oh ok, I'm sure I read that in a post a few months ago by an editor - I'll see if I can find it.

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Yes, it was post 3 here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Ok, ex-editor. ;) I'll bow to the experience of motsa and kctipton. :)
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