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jeffb711

5:59 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i think dmoz is running on pws off a dial up connection

under heavy load
under heavy load
under heavy load that's all i ever seem to get.

and someone posted about finding out if your going to get indexed in dmoz -

how hard would it be to have the page the editor runs to approve or disapprove run an email script letting the submitter know the status.

i think people/dmoz editors are getting a god complex - "how dare you ask for something that makes sense! I make the final choice - not you - you want to know - search under that category and if your in - you'll see your site - that's how you'll know... if it says dmoz is under heavy load - search again later - we are load balancing our pws ervers..."

I say this as constructive critisism - there is always room for improvement.

ikbenhet1

6:01 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> and someone posted about finding out if your going to get indexed in dmoz -

You could post your site on resource zone in topic: Site Submissions.
Then they will tell you if your site got rejected or still is in the queu.
Hope this helps.

[edited by: Laisha at 7:11 pm (utc) on Mar. 6, 2003]
[edit reason] Per charter. [/edit]

choster

6:09 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ODP is adding infrastructure. The original architecture was not designed to do all the things that are being asked of it nowadays.

If you want a status check on a site submission, go to RZ, there is an entire forum devoted to them.

Finally, ODP editors have absolutely no control over the hardware, bandwidth, or any other technological aspects of the project. To complain to an editor about performance issues is to complain to a receptionist about the slow elevator in the building. The receptionist can't do much more than call the maintenance people, who are already overbooked, and what's more has to deal with the slow elevator him/herself every day to get to work.

[edited by: Laisha at 7:08 pm (utc) on Mar. 6, 2003]
[edit reason] Please read the charter. [/edit]

Paul in South Africa

8:10 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<--i think people/dmoz editors are getting a god complex - "how dare you ask for something that makes sense! I make the final choice - not you - you want to know - search under that category and if your in - you'll see your site - that's how you'll know... if it says dmoz is under heavy load - search again later - we are load balancing our pws ervers..."-->

I cannot speak for DMOZ but as an editor I certainly have no God complex. Most of us are trying to give something back to the greater internet community by spending time, where we could be having a cold beer (or whatever blows our hair back), editing a directory that has a major place in making the internet a more useful place.

My 2c worth. It's probably not even worth that.

Paul

kctipton

8:43 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hutcheson is spreading a rumor (kidding!) that ODP is under a sort of DOS attack which is slowing things down a lot.

rfgdxm1

8:49 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>how hard would it be to have the page the editor runs to approve or disapprove run an email script letting the submitter know the status.

Which would have the undesirable consequence that in the case of spammers, this would be notifying the spammer if his spam had been detected and deleted. Knowledge that the spammer could use to try spamming again, and perhaps more effectively. With the queue backlogged with over a million unreviewed submissions, many which are spam, anything that would cause more spamming would be a Bad Thing. Including for submitters. More spam will mean it will just take longer for legitimate submissions to be reviewed. WHY would you want us to make a change that will delay your site being reviewed?

victor

9:39 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well said, rfgdxm1.

The categories I edit are not normally spam magnets. But a few days ago one had suddenly 37 new submissions across lots of its sub-categories.

Every single one was for the same site. And, oddly enough, for a site that was already listed in a 38th sub-category.

So I spent the thirty minutes I could have used to review and add maybe six sites, deleting the spam.

There's no way I want the submitter to know I've done that. What if the spambag tries again?

And of course there's no sanction I can (or would want to) take against the site itself -- the spammer may have been a idiot with no connection to the site at all.

A email reply may be possible and desirable in some circumstances:

  • if the ODP had a verified, opted-in, email address that was part of the domain of the site being added to reply to;
  • the site was not a spammer who'd abused the response mechanism in the past (which would require an appeals process if a site has changed hands);
  • if it was possible to distinguish sites when subdomains like geocities are used.

    How difficult is that? I'd say a lot harder than asking a rhetorical question.

  • cornwall

    11:29 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    how hard would it be to have the page the editor runs to approve or disapprove run an email script letting the submitter know the status.

    Wayback, in the days of free submissions to Yahoo, they always managed to email you to say a site had been accepted!

    Kimberly

    5:49 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Y'all keep referring to the "people" at DMOZ.

    I have not seen evidence of real live people at the largest human-edited directory in ages.

    hutcheson

    6:14 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    I think seven of them have posted to this thread. I'm sure there was at least one more...no, I remember, we removed him for adding one of my competitors.

    [running for cover]

    cornwall

    6:21 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    I have not seen evidence of real live people

    The reason for that is that, as I understand it, there are no people.

    It is commonly known that Gerbils run the servers, but it is less well known that they actually do the editing.

    The Gerbils are fed daily by the two staff members that, as an act of kindness, are employed solely for that purpose.

    creative craig

    7:16 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Last time I checked I was a real person and unless my password has expired I still edit at ODP and am there everyday!

    Craig

    victor

    9:17 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Well done, Kimberly, you are quite right.

    None of us at the ODP are real people. The names should have been a giveaway. Victor, for example, is obviously an acronym for virtual interactive something something something resource.

    The ODP has been the longest running Turing test since the invention of the dial-up speaking clock that phone companies used to offer.

    Of course, in AI circles, the ODP was often criticised for emulating a catatonic person -- hence the lack of replies from editors. Nonetheless, that strategy succeeded brilliantly for many years.

    But no one until now had rumbled that the sites we pick and the descriptions we write are all software generated.

    So well done, Kimberley again! We woulda got away with it if it hadn't a been for you pesky webmasters and that dog.