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Fortunately we are listed in OPD, but now with our new web master we have revised our site title to attract a different market. I submitted as a newbie, too early to tell where and how we wanted to be listed. What can I do? If I ask for an edit etc will they drop the site and refuse to list in another cat?
This is my own stupid mistake, moving in too early.
Thanks, comments please!
I warn you australiangirl that unless the editor of the current cat has editing privs in the destination cat, your site could be out of the directory for over a year waiting in unreviewed of the destination cat.
Could be listed right away, within a few days.
rfg, please STOP posting all over the internet that people who submit are practically guaranteed to wait years. That just isn't true.
My cat is GAMES.
Aravind
>What's the best?
Pay someone to list it immediately. Yahoo and Look$mart both have (quick) paid inclusion.
>I am scared of directory submission, you guys were talking about 1 year to 2 years?
For the ODP, you cannot plan a schedule. Some requests get processed within minutes of submittal, others do wait years. The _average_ is probably less than 6 months, just like the _average_ horse finishes 7th in a field of 13. It costs you a few minutes to submit, which is time well spent. And then -- go assume it won't get reviewed for a year, and work on your other options.
[overlapping posts -- but at least we got our story sort of coordinated]
I will be submitting for ODP in another 1 day.I did try to give it my best shot by preparing the site content first and then submit,any suggestions on deciding the category and directory.
Aravind
Ask your cousin Kim who has a home page in all the search engines, along with any other relatives who have websites, the favor of linking to your site. And also friends. Go first for the sure fire links that you know that you can get. The search engines will find you from these links. Then, start on trying for link exchanges with relevant websites.
>I will be submitting for ODP in another 1 day.I did try to give it my best shot by preparing the site content first and then submit,any suggestions on deciding the category and directory.
DO make sure to find the most relevant and appropriate cat. Typically this is obvious from the fact the listed sites are the most similar to yours. The bad thing about submitting to the wrong cat is that, unless the editor has editing privs in both that cat and the one he moves it to, this will mean the delay time at minimum is however long it takes for the first editor to review it, plus how long after that it takes the second editor to review it. It is possible that the delay will even be longer than this if the first editor makes a wrong guess where your site should go. This means the second editor will forward it to yet another cat.
The consensus appears to be that a DMOZ listing gives you not better PR than a link on a similar PR non-DMOZ page with a similar number of links
Further, the consensus appears to be moving to a view that PR is of less import in serps than it was in the past.
So to that extent do not get too hung up on your DMOZ listing. Basically submit to the most natural category, and hope that it gets reviewed sooner rather than later
I am not sure how rfgdxm1 knew about your cousin Kim's site ;)
>Further, the consensus appears to be moving to a view that PR is of less import in serps than it was in the past.
While it depends a lot on the specific ODP cat your site would be listed in, most ODP cats have not very high PR, and usually quite a few links. Thus, if you are thinking just in terms of PR benefit, that link from cousin Kim may be worth more than the ODP. Not to mention that with an e-mail you can get cousin Kim to add a link in a few days, and get the PR benefit within the next 2 updates. With the ODP, as hutcheson wrote, you can't plan a schedule. Thus, if you want something for sure and in a definite time frame, think about other strategies than the ODP.
>DO make sure to find the most relevant and appropriate cat. Typically this is obvious from the fact that the listed sites are the most similar to yours.
I did try to make sure that after studing intently my competitors sites.Then I tried to add some uniqueness into my site.But this is not defined in any of the competitors site.So again I am worried whether editor will put in right category.
Let say my competitors are in games /yyy/online widgets game
Then my site comes under same category but the uniqueness I am adding to my site might put it away in different cat say
Games/yyy/software/online widgets games.This is not meant to be but software ( software I am using as example but it got nothing to do with my site.)might put it away from actual correct listing.
If I get the top 2 categories right then is it fine.?
How much difference will it make for the overall results.?
Cornwall>So to that extent do not get too hung up on your DMOZ listing. Basically submit to the most natural category, and hope that it gets reviewed sooner rather than later.
I was *thinking the same* :) but felt that yeah let me do justice submitting to the right category, infact one of the famous Search Engine Masters on one particular site said that it's very very important to get into right cat for a good PR.That's where I got stuck , I will put it this way y not put it in right category then forget about it for another 3 to 4 months.Till that time Kim (my New Cousin :) )is always there.
RFxDGM1,As you were saying further that I need to look at other avenues of getting listed, yeah the best way is Cousin Kim's Site.I am presently working on sending emails to as many people as possible.I hope I get crawled by spider by end of this week.How does one get listed in 3 days?I am baffled and perplexed by those who achieve this?
I would guess it is just statistics. If a full crawl is over say 25 days, the 4% will be crawled each day. 3 days inclusion just means you were crawled in the first 12% after you went live
Luck of the draw: I've seen sites submitted within a day after I created a category; another editor claims to have seen a submittal within an hour after creating a category for it. I've seen sites submitted in a category while I was working in the unreviewed queue.
The AVERAGE horse finishes 7th in a field of 13. But that doesn't keep some horse from finishing first.
Does this mean submitting into a category fairly less number of submission.?
But this way I might loose out on PR.?
What do you mean by this? On average, submissions will be reviewed the quickest if they are submitted to the category that they are best suited for. The reason is that if unless the first editor has editing privs in both the cat submitted to, and the cat that the site really belongs in, then the review time will be delayed until the second volunteer editor gets around to reviewing it after the first editor sends it to her. (It is also possible even if the editor can edit in both cats, if she knows the other cat has an editor she may just send it to unreviewed there.) Worst case scenario has the first editor making a bad guess where the site best fits. If this happens, then the delay is increased because the second editor has to forward this on to a third editor.
Thank you for the elaborate explaination,as you said the best way to get indexed and safest fastest way for optimization is to submit it to right cat.
I will doing it today.I hope it gets indexed pretty soon.
>>could be out of the directory for over a year<<Could be listed right away, within a few days.
Try this neat trick to see if a category is being actively edited:
This works because the message was changed about then, but it only changes from old to new if an edit is made.
Of course, you can't know why a cat has not been edited -- it may have no submissions. Or it may have had very many submissions all of whch have been prompted binned (as spam or unlistable) or passed on to a better category -- none of these actions change the public page, so the old message remains.
I don't think an loss of PR is anything that concerns DMOZ!
Their priority is to index your site in the most appropriate category. If you submit to the "wrong" category just to get PR (or because you think it will be viewed sooner by an editor) all that is likely to happen is that it gets sent to the "correct" category and waits even longer for review.
Try this neat trick to see if a category is being actively edited:
Though really all that looking at the date or message tells you that someone edited the page for some reason on that date and not necessarily that the category is actively edited. For example, say you have a category that hasn't been edited in 6 months. I come along and correct a bad URL there -- both the date and the "this category needs an editor" message would change but neither would truly be an indication that the category is now being actively updated.
Worst case scenario is the editor of the "wrong" category will delete your submission rather than move it to the unreviewed queue of a more suitable cats. Editors aren't supposed to delete this way if the site seems listable. However, it is always possible that your site will be reviewed by a newbie editor who doesn't know better.
