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Domain Name For Sale
Listed In Yahoo and Open Directory.
Now that's not the spirit, is it guys?
I don't know if it is in Yahoo, but it certainly has had its last day in DMOZ.
hope you did the "right" thing and report it to the editor of the catgory in question.
Shak
I have lost the plot mate,
I could swear I did not see the word "editing" when I posted, serious, must have read the post twice.
Shak
(the only lame excuse I can come up with is "that my eyes are blind to Dmoz editors actually editing" however I will NOT tell lies, so shall retire from this thread with some dignity)
"Domain Name For Sale
Listed In Yahoo and used to be listed in the Open Directory."
;)
The domain owners must have had the same thought. Get the page in and then sell the name on before anyone notices. I wonder if that's a common tactic.
The more I read about ODP, the worse it looks.
Certainly is with Yahoo and I don't see why, in fact, I know it happens with ODP.
Now, if I want to sell a site tomorrow, and on the index page I advertise it as listed with Yahoo and ODP, why would you have a problem with that?
It is a single page saying the domain is for sale. That does not belong in the cat to which it was originally accepted.
I wonder if that's a common tactic.
I suspect nobody knows how common it is.
The bottom line is that in most instances the site owner will "get away with it"
Tell me I am wrong, but with the relatively small number of active editors, and large backlog of unreviewed in DMOZ, only a small number of sites will be re-checked by a "human" after they have been first accepted by DMOZ.
The robotic checks will not flag a 404 error as there is a "real" page for the robot to see, as in this case
Maybe the ODP needs a tool that spots "significant" changes to a page (Like it has lost all outgoing links; or contains the words "Dmoz" and "for sale") and highlights the page for review just as it does when it 404s.
Of course, what they "get away with" is buying an already listed site. That's great if the site is in the category they want. Less so (but possibly still valuable) if it is listed elsewhere.
With a bit of luck one of our resident metas will give us a feedback on this one.
It is an interesting weakness in the DMOZ system as to how they can actually check these sorts of site changes, without enough editors!
Perhaps there is a robotic way, but without a 404 coming up. it is difficult to see how a robot can check a site for this flaw.
Perhaps looking for the word "sale" on the forn page and flaging that site for a human editor to check? Problem is a lot of sites are selling things quite legitimately.
Perhaps there is a robotic way, but without a 404 coming up. it is difficult to see how a robot can check a site for this flaw.
That is no problem if you have a directory which spiders its data from the listed web pages. If the spidered data differs from the current directory data the web page is flagged as "updated" and editors can review the changes.
Moreover, if the directory would also spider the category from meta data in the web page not even a review is required. The web page would automatically be flushed out if the meta data disappears (which it presumably would if the web page is replaced by a single for sale notice).
Umm... If the only content on a site is a domain for sale notice, that probably wouldn't be content that is pertinent to the category that it was in; nor would it likely constitute unique content, to be listed elsewhere.
If the new owner of the domain wants his site to be listed in the ODP, he can submit it to an appropriate category, where it will probably be listed.
>> The more I read about ODP, the worse it looks. <<
Deleting sites that have lost their content looks bad to you?
The question that I was asking was how Dmoz could actually spot these sites.
If one assumes that it is a "scam", someone sets up a site with unique content, gets it listed in Dmoz, then sells it with a Dmoz entry, the new owner is hardly going to bother submitting his new site that may be "dddgy" and lacking content.
The question I was trying to get at, was is there any way that Dmoz can pick up such sites....unless an editor accidently stumbles upon it, as the original poster did here?
Deleting sites that have lost their content looks bad to you?
Deleting such sites looks great to me (along with motherhood, apple pie and the American Constitution), but you have not explained how you are going to find those sites :(
This example is one of may be 5 (?) out of all dmoz sites...
But what about all the formerly expired domains that are still listed under a kids category but now offering pron stuff? It's so terribly easy to spot that i don't have any clue why the big dmoz (think about netscape) doesn't have ANY robotic check for such.
No complain ... just a question!
Depends on the category and editor. When I started out at the ODP it was with one little cat with just 9 or do listed sites. If this had happened with any of these sites, I'd have very shortly noticed this. However, at the moment my cat space has something like 5,000 sites listed. The vast majority of it where the child cats lack an editor, and thus I am the next editor up the tree. I'd say odds are quite good in most cases I wouldn't notice this sort of thing happening on my own for a long time; the cat space is just too big.
Finding out about this can also happen though by either someone else with a site listed in the cat noticing it and reporting it, or a public user reporting it. If you look on the public side of the ODP, if you click on the listed editor, it sends you to a page that allows you to click another link to e-mail that editor. If I got such feedback that a site had been taken down and all that existed now was a "domain for sale" noticed, that would immediately be kicked up to priority #1. It's all kinds of easy to justify deleting a site that is nothing but a "fot sale" sign.
The question I was trying to get at, was is there any way that Dmoz can pick up such sites....unless an editor accidently stumbles upon it, as the original poster did here?
DMOZ has the same difficulty we all do. You make a link to another site in good faith. And then how often do you check that the link is still good?
With a few links a webmaster might check every few weeks. If you've got hundreds, you might only spot a nasty change after several months.
Anyone you've made a reciprocal link with could sell on their site with its good page rank made possible (partially) by your link. It's probably only when your clients complain to you that the link is now porno (or not, if it was) that you'll notice.
"Site-swapping" (to invent a term -- though I'm sure there already is one somehwere) and reciprocal-link validating software ought to exist. But it'd be hard not to get false positives on a site-swap report -- how much of a change counts as probably a new site at the old domain?
By a human/editor looking at them. I'm sure that a lot of them get by, but I know that I routinely review sites in the categories that I've adopted, and assume that others do the same.
>> But what about all the formerly expired domains that are still listed under a kids category but now offering pron stuff? <<
We also find these through human means. Editors in kids categories are especially diligent, which certainly doesn't imply that nothing ever slips through.
YES.
Send them to any meta-editor.
That's one of the important ways that we find them.
Maybe the ODP needs a tool that spots "significant" changes to a page (Like it has lost all outgoing links; or contains the words "Dmoz" and "for sale") and highlights the page for review just as it does when it 404s
Hey, but that would flag WW for removal :)
Now, if I want to sell a site tomorrow, and on the index page I advertise it as listed with Yahoo and ODP, why would you have a problem with that? <<
Of course we don't have a problem with the fact you are selling your domain, but we list sites because of their content. If a site has been listed in a certain category because of it's content, and its content doesn't anymore fit there, it will be removed. The new owner of the domain can then submit his or her site to the relevant category by him/herself. Remember, you don't "own" a listing in the ODP, so you can't sell it.
