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Another question - is it a must to first have a listing in dmoz up and then to submit the site to google or it doesnt really matter. I mean, its clear that it is better to first appear in dmoz and then get spidered by google, but will it hurt the site when google finds it before it gets indexed by dmoz?
thanks
how long it will take the dmoz staff to review my site
My advice is don't even worry about your DMOZ listing, because it may drive you crazy :o)
is it a must to first have a listing in dmoz up
Birdman
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It never hurts to submit your site to dmoz, and it very much depends on which category you applied for to be reviewed, if you have access to your logs, you will be able to see when a editor view your application (do a search for dmoz in the log file and you will see what i mean if they've been viewing your site)
We also have a special forum where you can read more about DMOZ topics: The Directories Forum [webmasterworld.com]
I would also suggest reading Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone
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It gives you a very good view how to optimize for Google.
A question to anyone who is knowledgable about Dmoz moreso than I:
How long will it take Google to give adequate PR or any PR from Dmoz listings? I have several new sites in Dmoz and all in all they help my other few websites.
I still don't have a PR for the websites in Dmoz even though the category has a PR of 7 in both separate categories.
They have been listed in Dmoz for almost a little over a month now
Thanks for any help!
If the sites have been there for more than a month, you will probably get a PageRank at the upcomming update.
Actually, it does not. It helps you get LISTED intially, since Google scans all the ODP sites, but once it is actually IN Google, it will do almost nothing for you - from there the Google PR and tracking algorithms take over.
One of the problems is that the Dmoz editor control panel becomes virtually unusable once the number of sites to be reviewed gets that high.
According to Dmoz there are currently 24 categories with over 1,000 unreviewed sites each in them. It is not easy to obtain the total number of sites waiting for entry to Dmoz, but I wouldn't be surprized if it was more than the number currently in Dmoz.
Fortunately as far as Google is concerned you can get in without a Dmoz entry, just get a few good links from other sites.
Google has 3 billion web pages indexed, Dmoz has just over 3.4 million URLs listed, given this disparity only took a few years to achieve I wonder how long Dmoz can expect to survive in any useful form? and how long Google will even bother to use it?
Do humans really do it better?
Also in general there are much less unreviewed submissions than listed sites in the ODP. There are only some areas of the directory which are heavily backlogged, while others have virtually no queue.
What do people complain about on this board? Probably not about categories where they got listed quickly. So most discussions are about backlogged categories, and thus it seems that backlogs are everywhere in the ODP.
I sure hope those folks waiting didn't need a Dmoz entry to get into Google, if they did most of them have probably gone out of business by now. As we all know most businesses fail in the first year. Maybe this is the Dmoz strategy, let's see if these Internet startups can survive a year and if they can we might have got around to adding them to Dmoz by then.
Would anyone use a search engine promotion company that couldn't get itself into the Google Directory? Of course the company waiting to get into Dmoz shouldn't be tarnished by this brush, it is a Dmoz problem. But how many people who are looking for search engine promotion are sufficiently knowledgeable about this subject?
Most people would think, if they can't get themselves into the Google directory, or Dmoz, then why would I want to use them for SEO?
People largely complain about the slowness of Dmoz because it affects their businesses. It is just like an airline that has a crash, people don't say air transportation is the safest way to travel, they are consumed by the fact that 400 people just lost their lives.
If an airline says, "We know we just killed 400 people because we cut costs on maintenance, but the majority of our flights don't crash" - do you really think anyone will be impressed, or fly with them?
Dmoz is on record as saying it is their strategy to employ minimal paid staff and leave the job to free labor. Any company making such statements is basically saying they don't really care what happens to that element of their business.
Looking at the AOL share price I have to admit I would just scrap the whole thing and get rid of the couple people of I was paying also.
The influence of Dmoz is now miniscule, which is about equivalent to the financial investment made in it. Give it a few years and we will all be saying "Do you remember that Dmoz thing that used to exist".
Pity really, it was a good idea, but the implementation was lousey.
. . . they don't really care what happens to that element of their business.
This assumes that DMOZ is a business - which most assuredly it is not. It would be more apt to compare DMOZ to an old-school public utility. It is a venture that does not make money, needs to be subsidized, provides a public good that otherwise could not be provided by business itself. People perceive the service to be lousy (even when it is often not), due to the fact that they believe the "employees" have absolutely no incentive to go above and beyond the call of duty.
Finally, consider that people have been predicting the ODP's immenent demise since 1999. It's more of a pipe dream (for some people) than reality.
the "employees" have absolutely no incentive to go above and beyond the call of duty.
I have never found that to be a problem with you, Rafalk :)
But I like the analogy you give
Thanks for the reply. If I recall I just followed the guidelines and made it simple.
NFFC said:
Just had a site added in 5 days, I find that the easier you make it for the editors the quicker you get added. Make sure the submission is in keeping with the guidelines [ish ] and screams "add me"!
Please share the NFFC Top Ten Tips for making your ODP submission easy on the editor. (aka, how to scream "add me" without raising your voice) :)
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Hmm, have you looked at which mega-conglomerate actually owns DMOZ?
Trust me, I have a few sites that don't offer a product for sale, they are still part of the business.
Anyhow, lets scoop past WindSun's post and, if I may be so bold, try and answer the original posters question.
