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Considering converting my site to Joomla. Bad idea?

         

Boulder90

1:20 pm on Jan 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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My static site is around 200 pages of good, unique, self-created content now. However, it's getting increasingly difficult to make even the slightest adjustment. I plan to add another 200 pages this year. I also want to add a forum and a blog to the site to get some user generated content. I can't decide if I'm just better off going into a CMS system or sticking with what I have and adding a forum and worpress blog. There are a couple things I have in my site such as large quality maps with image links to various places on the map (yes I have regular links below that for better flow as well) and I'm not sure Joomla can handle that.

Also, I'm sure this can't be good for how my site is already indexed with Google. My URL's are nice and clean but changing them to .php might blow them out.

It just feels like I may be looking at never ending work on my site if I want to tweak while heading down the static road.

If anyone can offer feedback I would pay for the advice. Also, if anyone here is skilled at converting a static stie to Joomla (while coming very close to the look of the static), please send me a PM and a quote for your services. Thanks!

Quadrille

3:45 pm on Jan 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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At the current size, I believe you could carry on a while longer with static HTML, provided you make it easier using templates, ssi and css.

However, if you intend to continue to grow, then a cms has to be a good idea.

I cannot advise on detail (no technical bone!), but I'd advise three safeguards.

1. Set up the cms initially for new pages only - don't risk the main site until it's tried, tested and settled down.

2. Either continue to use current URLs (can be done, don't ask me how!) OR transfer existing pages over to the new system over a period of time; it will make internal navigation complex for a while - but will minimise or avoid disruption to SE listings.

3. Monitor your internal navigation very carefully, using Xenu and webmaster tools; use robots.txt to minimise duplicate URLs - all cms systems throw up duplicate URLs, I don't know how Joomla compares to others (it seems that open source cms builders have never heard of SEO, but that's another thread ...).

ergophobe

5:50 pm on Jan 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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* large maps with image links
This is just HTML on a page. Should be simple for any CMS.

*URL structure
At least with Drupal or Wordpress it would be dead simple to just keep the same old URLs. I assume it would be the same in Joomla, but I don't know. Sometimes it might take a little bit of extra with mod_rewrite, but you should be able to end up with any URL structure you want.

all cms systems throw up duplicate URLs

Good advice on this point, to be sure, but somewhat overstated I think. All CMS "can" throw up dupe content, but so can static sites that are poorly designed (with and without www, trailing slash, etc). Over recent years, a lot of the duplicate URL issues have been mitigated in the major CMS, sometimes in the core and sometimes with a plugin or module that needs to be activated. But you can easily create a site that does not have multiple URLs for the same page.

The issue that crops up more frequently is duplicate content on multiple pages because people have "archive" and "category" views that just regurgitate the content or the first paragraph of the content of the pages listed there. With a bit of care in implementation, you can get rid of this problem too, but by default most CMS are guilty of this sin.

Another thing to consider it how busy your site is and what your server load is. If you are taxing your server already, switching to a dynamic script is going to put you over the top. You might need to look into aggressive caching and various performance tweaks if it's a high-traffic site on a low-power server.

Boulder90

11:18 pm on Jan 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the great advice. I'm still debating this move but I do expect my site to get over 1,000 pages by the end of this year. My knowledge of Joomla templates is pretty sad. My CSS is limited as well. I probably need to educate myself further or just hire someone to do a bang up job.

So ergo, you are saying I will need a mod_rewrrite to move www.ddd./ddd.htm to www.ddd./ddd.php?

I've been looking at purchasing a professional template for Joomla that I can tweak a bit, but I haven't been all that blown away by what I've seen for my own uses (national park camping/activity site). Everything feels so "corporate" and brochure looking. I'm sure a good coder could wipe that away though.

[edited by: Boulder90 at 11:20 pm (utc) on Jan. 16, 2009]

ergophobe

12:04 am on Jan 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I don't know what Joomla has for rewrite abilities, but you would not likely have anything at example.com/page.php

Default URLs for cms typically look like: example.com/index.php?p=123

You use various built-in mechanisms to change that to: example.com/page or example.com/category/page

I've never tried using example.com/page.htm (i.e. with an extension) but depending on what works, you could have the joomla URL be the same as the current URL or, it if doesn't like URLs with "." in it, you would leave off the extension and just rewrite the /page.htm request to /page with no redirect code. Nobody would ever need know that a different technology is serving the page up at the same address.

In any case, it shouldn't be a bit job to set up the URLs and, if needed, rewrites for 200 pages.

reprint

6:31 pm on Jan 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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If you anticipate further growth, then yes a CMS should be right for you. Good advice given already. You can use sh404SEF Joomla plugin to redirect pages or maintain urls if you dont want to mess with url rewrites.

You are better off not exposing extensions in urls e.g. .php or .html
The reason is that you may later move to another CMS or wish to present something else on that url.

Tim Berner's Lee article entitled "Cool URIs don't change" from 1998 is still worth reading and as important today as ever.

You can get a Joomla template made but you should search carefully because there are so many out there already. Many have collapsible modules, customizable fonts, multiple color schemes so you can change their default look and the final product look very different from the default.

Picking a relavitvely popular template and using the options to customize means that you will likely have access to a community to help you with the template and won't be tied to the one template developer you chose.

simonuk

9:08 am on Jan 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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The only thing I would like to add to trial it and if possible get an older version on a test server and learn how to upgrade the package before you go head first.

a lot of CMS's can be diffcult to upgrade if you don't know what you're doing but with any popular CMS you WILL need to upgrade to stay safe from hackers.

Personally there are 2 carts and 1 CMS I don't use because updating is such a pain and so very risky.

ergophobe

4:19 pm on Jan 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Simon - good advice. I've never thought of telling someone to test the upgrade process, but you're absolutely right. With some projects it seems like such a hassle that you don't do it, with the consequence of leaving security holes.

Boulder90

11:56 pm on Jan 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Thanks. When I think about the securityy/update drags I've had with Wordpress, it makes me want to stay static with templates.

Philosopher

12:53 am on Jan 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I've got a good bit of experience with Joomla. With many of the Joomla extensions, you should have no issues keeping the exact same URL structure, page names, etc.

travelin cat

11:12 pm on Feb 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

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You will not have any problems with your url structure as long as you use a good search engine friendly plug-in.

We moved a static 300 page site to Joomla and kept all of the exact same url's.

BradleyT

6:54 pm on Feb 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I did this last April (proprietary CMS to Drupal) and will be doing it again this April.

In either case none of the URL's are remaining the same.

Things learned from the first time -
A sitemap xml file is a must.

Obviously sign up for webmaster tools. It should be your 404 "debugger" of choice after the switch is made.

Create 301's for all URLs that will change. Yeah it's possibly a lot of work but you have to do it.

Give it time. If you did everything correctly without any major issues in a month or two you should be "back" to where your old site was or even higher regarding rankings/traffic.

Since last April we've doubled the size of the site and more than quadrupled the traffic.

blackhorse

2:54 am on Feb 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

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hi Boulder90,

you can have the same url even if you use joomla.

set to SEO friendly in global seting and add the prefix.

the url will be your title plus .html

for the map content. some of them you can keep your static html file but use the wrapper link to link from joomla menu to that html file

so everything will be organized nicely