cloaking scripts I have found

cloaking scripts

[jayzee]

I have been looking around for scripts to help me with cloaking and page generation and have found a few but was wondering if any one could tell me if they have had any experiance of any of them.

i have read quite a few posts on this board as well as a few other boards and have a good idea of peoples thoughts behind cloaking, and have found it all very interesting - thanks everyone :)

The script in question, and I am using coded language here a some people don't always want there script to be named is, what you do to a dog + and arachnid. any one who has come across this will know what I am talking about. anyway, if you have used this script and have any thoughts about it I would lovwe to hear from you.

digitalghost thanks for your post about dos and don'ts, this is why I like coming here, there seems to be poepl from every level all trying to help each other out, thanks for the community.

J

[Nick_W]

I like to roll my own. mnoGoSearch.org is the spider of choice for creating dictionarys of words and a little php/mysql to gen the pages and http://www.iplists.com is pretty good for your IP lists...

Nick

[jayzee]

Thanks for the extremely quick reponse, nothing I hate more than having to wait two weeks for anyone to repond.

anyway would be very rateful if you expanded on the bit about

php/mysql to gen the pages

I assume you have a db that holds keywords titles and blocks of text that you then use to create pages, but do you do this just once or do you create the pages on the fly.

The script I mentioned in my first post allows me to enter these details although stores them in a file once the page in questions has been rendered,
My question I suppose is,

Is it better to manually create the content on all the pages I want to have or could I rely/build myself a system that uses a db containing kw and text to create the page automatically for me?

J

[Nick_W]

>>nothing I hate more than having to wait two weeks for anyone to repond.

You wont' have that problem here! ;) More on it's way....

Nick

[Nick_W]

I assume you have a db that holds keywords titles and blocks of text that you then use to create pages, but do you do this just once or do you create the pages on the fly.

Just once. Store all the 'pages' in the db. Which is a mixture of both ways really. It's dynamically generated pages (using templates) but the text is created once and stored...

Nick

[jayzee]

So you use a template for the pages and dynamicaly place text into it from kw and text you have pre entered into the DB, am I getting this right? and output these pages from the script to create .htm files which are on the server and link them alltogether?

[Nick_W]

Not quite: I'd use the kw's generated by the search engine (spidering a set of sites in a given area) to create a bunch of mysql rows in a db. (pages).

Then, I'd output each row of the db through a template on the fly...

Nick

[jayzee]

so lets say my site was about dogs, i spider a few sites in the field of dogs and find my keywords are

dog leashes
flea collors
dog balls
dog food
worming

then enter these words in a db and create pages named like

dog_leashes.htm
flea_collors.htm
dog_balls.htm
dog_food.htm
worming.htm

I assume as well as the keywords, in each row there would be further blocks of text and links?

then using a template take each row of a db and dynamically create a page from it.

Are these pages dynamically created every time a SE bot follows a link to the page name.

[Nick_W]

Nahhhh... the way I think it works best is to do this.

Have your pages like link4.html link5.html or /4/ /5/ with the numeric being the id of the field in the db...

with me..

Nick

[jayzee]

yeh getting this bit, is it better to use htm or html, most people I see doing this use htm?

[Nick_W]

I dont use either ;)

It actually doesn't matter one little bit. Most of my pages are .php...

Nick

[jayzee]

thanks for verifying that, I had always wondered, and assumed coz every one I had seen doing it use .htm, it was the best way and it might put off search engines if using php, asp extension pages.

J

[Nick_W]

You know, all this talk of cloaking is interesting but I have to tell you, it's less effort and over the long term, more rewarding to just build an excellent website that people want to link to....

Nick

[jayzee]

I agree totally, but when you have to work with an already built site that has laods of stuff that search engines seem to hate and competitors who are using cloaking, then I am a little stuck.
I have tried to get it optimized as much as possible, but am still always appearing behind competitors. and really don't want to have to redesign to get around this problem.

[Nick_W]

Then don't auto gen the pages to attract visitors, that's a waste: Stick 10-20page real sites up (5-6min) that all auto gen a few hundred pages each and randomly gen link text to point to the target site...

Cloak your 'junk pages' as 404's to fool the casual visitor and be prepared to lose everything eventually...

Nick

[volatilegx]

To avoid loosing everything eventually, set up your cloaking from a separate domain, on a different web server.

In answer to your question about the .htm/.html filename extension for cloaked pages... being an author of a commercial cloaking software package I might be able to provide a little insight into this... it's a totally arbitrary decision. It really doesn't matter which extension is used.

Depending on the method of cloaking (meaning how do you get a *.htm page to be treated like a CGI script by the server instead of a HTML document), using one extension for cloaking (.htm for instance) will force you to use the other (.html) for all your HTML documents. What I did was pick my favorite (.html) and use it for my HTML documents, and that left the other one for the cloaked pages.

Methods of getting a file with one filename extension to behave in a non-default manner include:

* Reassigning the MIME type
* Adding the filename extension to the server-parsed MIME type classification, either for SSI, PHP or ASP parsing
* Using Mod_Rewrite to rewrite URLs, such that a call to http: //www.yourdomain.com/cloaked.html is internally rewritten to http: //www.yourdomain.com/cloaked.cgi
* probably others that I haven't thought about

Failing one of the above, you could just use a .shtml, .php, .asp, .cgi, or .pl filename extension for the cloaked page.

Dan

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