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Chinese fonts - which are available as standard?

Traditional and simplifed fonts to work on all Asian PCs.

         

HarryM

2:25 am on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am developing pages in Big5 and GB2312 on a Western PC, and I would like to be able to specify fonts that are available as standard on Asian PCs.

Most of the Chinese sites I have looked at do not specify the font, or if they do it's in local encoding, i.e., not the English name. It would seem from this that for normal text it might be advisable not to specify a font, but it would be nice to be able to give headings, etc., some impact.

SimHei looks ideal, but I have no idea if it is available as standard both on the mainland and also Taiwan, etc. It also doesn't seem to resize accurately, only looking its best in certain sizes.

Are there fonts which are guaranteed to work on all Asian PCs? Any help appreciated.

Harry

bill

6:20 am on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't know if there is a definitive list...I can't seem to find the thread we had about this before. When I made my Chinese site I remember asking around about this, and all the font names recommended were named in local encoding. Fonts like SimHei may or may not be the same on local machines. I opted for no font name styling at all. You can still use bold, italic, and size to style your text. The only time I worried about font was when making graphics.

How would you declare a Chinese font-family? Are there serif and sans-serif derivations of the fonts?

Woz

6:58 am on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Bill, I think the one to which you are referring is Wading into Deep Water [webmasterworld.com], a discussion from quite some time ago. There is reference there to "MS Song and Beijing" being the default GB fonts specified by Yahoo.cn.

Onya
Woz

bill

8:46 am on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...no wonder I couldn't find that one...thanks Woz. That was a while back, wasn't it?

The fonts on the Yahoo China CSS are:
MS Song, ËÎÌå, Beijing
I wonder if BestBBS v3.15 can handle those characters ;) Best to switch your browser encoding to GB2312 encoding...works for me.

HarryM

12:24 pm on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I found the 2001 "Wading into Deep Water" thread before I posted, but thought the situation might have changed.

Thanks for the help. It looks like not specifying fonts is the only sensible way to go for text.

Bill suggests bold and italic are OK. Are they universally recognized?

Harry

HarryM

4:55 pm on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A further question just occurred to me. What to do about English language quotes in the Chinese text?

The spaced-out characters that result from double-byte encoding look awful, and I had been enclosing the English in a span specifying Verdana which looks a lot better, at least on my Western PC. But could this result in gibberish on an Asian PC without Verdana or a sans-serif font?

Would it be more sensible to ignore appearances and just encode the English as gb2312 or big5?

[added later]
If I input ASCII characters directly into Chinese text from my Chinese wp keyboard (NJStar), they are single-byte and don't look too bad. However the text only wraps at the end of a word which looks odd on a page layed out on a Chinese character grid.

However if I enter ASCII characters as double-byte symbols in Big5 they look OK but in gb2312 they have that spaced out look. But in both cases the text wraps on letters - not standard English practice but it looks better on the page.

Any comments on what is considered the normal approach?
[/added later]

bill

4:23 am on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Harry I go with the plain ASCII text in with the Chinese. We have product names in English interspersed with the text and haven't had any complaints.

Another thing to consider is that those English words may be interpreted differently by the Chinese SEs depending on how you enter them. Double byte text is read differently, so you may want to use both variations (maybe in a footnote or something) to make sure you get listed for both.

HarryM

10:36 am on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Bill, many thanks. I can understand why the previous thread was called "Wading into Deep Water". :)

Harry

hotice_2002

4:07 pm on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi, HarryM,

charset=UTF-8

will work fine on almost all Pcs in the world(not only in Asia).

Try that!

HarryM

9:53 pm on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks hotice_2002,

But I've already made the decision to go with GB2312 and Big5, rather than Unicode. It was the fonts I was undecided about. But now I'm just going to let the browser default to whatever is its standard. In fact the IE default fonts seem to resize better than any others.