Meta keywords in Japanese

Could this be considered to be spam?

[pixels]

If I had the following keywords in Japanese, would it be considered to be spam or separate keywords?

Vegetarian Foods, Vegetarian Cafe, Vegetarian Wine.

I don't want to repeat or spam but I don't wanted it to be listed under just normal foods or Cafe either. I want it to appear as Vegetarian this and that.

Pixels

[takagi]

I don't see why it is important to mention that the keywords are in Japanese. Although I do hope that you separate the keywords with a comma or space etc.

[pixels]

Takagi san,

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I don't see why it is important to mention that the keywords are in Japanese.
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? Obviously, Japanese people enter Japanese keywords words so if you enter Vegetarian in English and Bejitarian in Katakana would bring up different results @google.co.jp. May be if I can match it with Japanese words, the site may be listed in a better position.

Of course, I use comma to separate the words as my example.

--- keywords ---
Vegetarian Foods, Vegetarian Cafe, Vegetarian Wine.
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Coming back to my original question though, do you think the above would be considered to be spam?

Pixels

[bill]

There are very few engines that even look at the meta keywords tag at all anymore. I don't think Google Japan will list you any better with or without the meta keyword tag.

[pixels]

I don't understand this at all!

Here is what I get when I perform variations of 'vegetarian' search @google.co.jp.

Let's assume I've got a website www.jpvs.org.

1/ In English enter 'vegetarian' then click search from web brings up www.vrg.org
2/ In English enter 'vegetarian' then click from Japan brings up www.jpvs.org
3/ In Katakana enter 'Bejitarian' then click search from web brings up Fresheye
4/ In Katakana enter 'Bejitarian' then click from Japan brings up Fresheye

1 & 2 which I understand. Difference between English based website & Japanese website.

If I were to use 'vegetarian' (in English) for my keywords I appears top listing (as in no.2). But I missed out for example No.3 & 4. Probably listed somewhere 10 pages down etc.

Japanese people tend to search by Japanese keywords rather than in English. That's a fact.
So I would be better off using Japanese keywords so that the site may come out better match. Position may be another matter.

Anyway, above wasn't my question at all. My original question was, would it be considered to be spam if I entered 'vegetarian cafe' comma 'vegetarian foods'?

May be my English is very poor (not my mother tongue sorry guys!) that nobody understands what I am trying to say. If that's the case, I just leave this thread.

Pixels

[Woz]

Note - due to the nature of the beast I will leave the specifics above until a conclusion is arrived at.

Actually Bill, I think you will find that Google.com will pay more attention to tags than most people think, particularly if there is not much spiderable information on the page. So pixels, although I am not an expert on Japanese searches, this may explain why results differ when a page is in Japanese but tags are in English.

As to "spamming", the example you give runs close to the line IMO.

>May be my English is very poor
A good deal better than my non-existant Japanese so you have nothing for which to apoligise.

Onya
Woz

[pixels]

Thank you Woz.

I'm off to study the source codes of ones at the.

arggh. Method 3 & 4's top listing is now different from the one I listed in my msg #5! 'FreshEye' is nowhere to be seen. How could it be?

I wonder, different google servers are not mirrors but has different ranking. If this is the case, you can do so much study and optimisation but not going to win.

I suppose slightly more fair play for everyone.

Pixels

[bill]

OK pixels I think I see where you're coming from a bit more clearly now. I was commenting more in terms of the title of this thread in a general way. Like Woz says it really depends on the amount spiderable content (along with several other factors like links).

The old rule with keyword tags was to keep repetition down to about three instances depending on the engine. I don't think stuffing the keyword tag will do much for you, and it could lead to some overzealous webmaster reporting your site.

Keep in mind that it is not only the source and content of the page that determines ranking in engines like Google.

[a2ztranslate]

ok pixel, in Japanese normal writing/typing there are no spaces between words. so many Japanese do not leave a space between words when searching; they will type in japanese vegetarian cafe as one word, not two. using that approach, each keyphrase u listed is actually different word, so spamming is not an issue.

now, to totally contradict myself,online japnese does use spaces. i still do not think though that you would be considered spamming if u created separate pages/screens, optimising each one for each unique keyphrase.

my 2 yens worth anyway!

[bill]

Thanks for adding that a2ztranslate and welcome to WebmasterWorld.

The original question was asking about repetition of the keyword within the keyword meta tag and its affect on ranking. If you look through the Keyword Forum [webmasterworld.com] you will see that the general consensus is that repetition does not affect ranking much if at all. So in this case with Japanese KWs you would probably have just as much luck if you had one instance of each KW separated by a space or comma, as takagi indicated, in the KW meta tag.

[globalseo]

Pixels,

Let me comment on a few items in your original question:

First, because many sites abuse(d) the keyword tag most search engines do not even look at the data. Even if they do look at it they do not give it much weight since it is user manipulated.

I am finding that Google is giving more weight to the meta description especially in cases where there is weak keyword density on the page.

Secondly, if you want to rank for the vegetarian versions of your words you need a strong combination of "on-page" attributes along with "link relevance" for those words.

By making a series of pages on each of these topics you are able to link them together, which gives you, link text references to the keywords. Additionally, this sets you up for proper inbound links "Pixel's Vegetarian Food Site", again, link reference to the phrase.

Lastly, consider keyword proximity when trying to relate many variations on a page -- "Pixel's Vegetarian foods, wine and cafe's" - while not as strong does allow you to share the descriptor.