Msn

where does it get its resulst?

[korkus2000]

I have a keyword that is only used in my site. If I am on a peticular search engine it brings up my site. I used it on msn and my site came up.

My question is:

I have no looksmart listing, inktomi, direct hit, fast, or oveture listing (I just checked). Where is msn pulling this information? It says web pages above my listing.

[Bentler]

I noticed the ODP listings in MSN started a few weeks ago. It wouldn't surprise me if MSN used Google data. It also wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft licensed Google's intellectual property to develop a non-Linux implementation.

[Marcia]

>that description is only found via ODP

Just like Inktomi has been using LS titles and descriptions, they've also been using ODP descriptions. For a while now.

[sparrow]

So the "BROADEN YOUR SEARCH"
results at the bottom of MSN has been there for a couple of weeks, that shows you how slow I am.

But, in lieu of this "pending annoucement" from Google, could it be they are now the directory source for MSN????

That would mean Overture, Looksmart, Inktomi, DirectHit(Teoma) and now GOOGLE? Who's missing from this pie!

[backus]

hmmm... why the sudden change to my results to the BBCi match?

[chris_f]

Well I'm waiting here [google.com] to find out what Google's announcement is.

[backus]

Who said anything about thursday anyway??? Have you checked blogger.com??? It doesn't even mention Google. It says "We're going to be announcing a new partnership and feature to the site this week that's going to make a lot of Blogger users happy and drastically increase the quality of the Blogger service."

See, no Google!!

I could be wrong about this MSN thing. Just seems strange that the results look like filtered Google results to me.

[chris_f]

I read the article and I see Google mentioned.

_{Does this mean we go to Red Alert again?}

[Beachboy]

Marcia, you are correct. Inktomi has been using Dmoz descriptions for at least several months, although I hadn't really tried to analyze just how.

[ken_b]

Just this last week I started getting referals from MSN. My site is not in Dmoz. For that matter I've never submitted the site to anyone. The site is in Ink tho, how it got there is beyond me.

So I was suprised to see MSN in my referers. This led me to spend a little time last nite cutting and pasting search queries from my logs into the MSN search to see where I came up.

Many of my searches came up in the top 10.

Needless to say I pretty happy, if clueless. :)

[lazerzubb]

If they would sign MSN, which i don't think, anyway you would not see the results changing in seconds.
It would be like with AOL.
There is to many people involved at MSN if Google would sign them, so it would have leaked to the press.

[chiyo]

ken b.. we noticed the same thing. It seems that our old looksmart listings (indexed by Ls well before the paid schemes came in - say 2 to 3 years ago) got a major boost. Maybe that is what happened to you?

[ken_b]

Chiyo; I'm not sure, but I don't think these results are from old indexes. I say that because the page titles and descriptions shown are using pretty recent changes I've made.

hmmmm... have to think more about this. [edit typo]

[korkus2000]

Msn search worldwide and aol.co.uk are showing wierd results that are current as of last week.

Where are the listing comming from? anyone have any idea?

[mbauser2]

I noticed the ODP listings in MSN started a few weeks ago.

They've been in AOLsearch, Hotbot, and Overture, for some time, too. Inktomi might be using ODP descriptions, but they're using them inconsistently. (Sometimes they use the ODP description, sometimes they don't.)

Using ODP listings to assert proof of Google's involement represents a serious lapse in logic, guys. ODP is an independent entity; there are plenty of ways to get ODP data into search results without involving Google.

[makemetop]

OK!

Inktomi seem to be working on a regionally biased formula. This was discussed at SES London for the first time - but there was much yawning (and little listening) from the hall as everyone looked forward to the Overture cocktail party.

Inktomi also had a little survey sent out to paid inclusion partners a couple of months ago which put forward the idea of having sites getting an extra boost based on region or ZIP code.

This has now been released on MSN. This is NOT a filter! It is a bias, which is designed to make sites which have relevance for a particular portal and/or region get a boost over the general index. However, if a site is deemed as 'the best' it will still appear in the top results - regardless of region.

This changes the INK factor in a major way. ODP and Yahoo listings appear to be far more likely to impact listings on these portal searches. Currently, this only shows on MSN - but could be a totally new way of influencing search?

[kris]

So how do they determine your sites region? From Yahoo's and ODP's regional categories?

<side note> Great, just when we though ODP would go away and die.</side note>

[JFord]

I have two sites coming up on MSN and I have not done the pay-for-sub with either. They both come up very high 2nd or 3rd in the web pages results. They are using a completley different title and descrip from Yahoogle. Can anyone explain how they got there? Not that I am complaining, but I thought you had to pay to play there. Thanks sincerely.

[mgswebaus]

My experience very similar to JFord's - and occurred in last 24-48 hours.
As indicated elsewhere, listing seems to come from ODP.
Certainly, my title and description on MSN are identical to those ascribed by my ODP editor.
Thanks, MSN - I like the listing!
:)

(edited by: mgswebaus at 9:05 pm (utc) on May 24, 2002)

(edited by: mgswebaus at 9:09 pm (utc) on May 24, 2002)

[korkus2000]

I am in the same boat you guys are. I am not in Oveture, looksmart, Inktomi, or the ODP but I am on msn with pretty high results. So far no one has been able to answer where these are coming from.