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I know its different for different niches, but what other CPC, CPM programs do you recommend and/or not recommend trying? I sure lots of you are experimenting with other programs right now. How you finding them? As many posts as possible please, so we can get a good idea of the best alternatives.
thank you.
[edited by: Seb7 at 12:50 am (utc) on Nov. 4, 2008]
Good luck!
If you are a business, revenue is
visits x conversion rate (x price)
There is no point having a trillion vistors and zero conversion. Better to have ten thousand with 0.1% conversion.
Either that, or maximise visitors, and live with low conversions (which is the way I would go if you are monetised in any way beyond adsense)
[edited by: Shaddows at 12:34 pm (utc) on Nov. 4, 2008]
To answer your question I'll suggest to have a look to Tribal Fusion for cpm
On one of my site they 're better than Google by now actually.
Also, think about Kontera with in-text link advertising
others: Text Link Ads, affiliates (Commission Junction, Click bank, etc)
after Adsense, my next best performer is Kontera In-Text ads
I tried it once and it worked fine but my conscience got the best of me and I removed it. Although I don't judge those who use it, I just couldn't accept this type of advertising for my users.
You'll probably get more (and better) answers to your question in the Advertising Sales and Affiliate Programs forum [webmasterworld.com].
"If you are thinking of using Chitika don't even bother."
"Chitika is crap."
I am so sorry to hear this. In fact Chitika is probably the best after Adsense and YPN. I am telling this from the experience of having worked with 16 affiliate programs including Adsense, Chitika, Amazon, Kotera etc. I am not a YPN publisher, but I know that they are not too bad.
After getting disabled from Adsense, Chitika is the only company to ever send me a payment. And their eCPM is also not too bad. $2.3 from their supported countries is comparatively very good. If you have a high search engine traffic from their supported countries(USA, Canada, UK, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Spain, Sweden)it can work well for you. But I should tell you, there is no alternative to Adsense. My recommendation to you is, if you are thinking of an affiliate program other than Adsense and YPN, then go to Chitika first before going to anywhere else.
From the other income sources, Adsense is first, then deals done directly with individual companies. Tradedoubler is third.
I've tried others and none work at all. Adbrite are the worst, a complete joke. Kontera are nearly as bad.
It has to be noted that Chitika may not serve to as many countries as Adsense but this may not make much difference to overall revenue. Chitika also allows an alternate url for those cases.
Kontera gave us $1.42 eCPM (ad impressions) for Apr 2009.
The trouble in these comparisons is there are:-
1) Advertiser reported page impressions (inaccurate)
2) Server total reported page impressions (accurate)
3) Ad impressions (inaccurate)
1) usually doesn't include page impressions where no ads are served so it is inaccurate.
On our server I couldn't get 2) without adding up all the individual site stats.
3) which is what is used here is inaccurate too since different advertisers will serve ads for different proportions of the total server recorded page impressions.
So really we still don't know exactly what is going on.
Dan Ruby
Chitika Director of Marketing
Dan Ruby
Chitika Director of Marketing
I think.
No worries. I do always want to be completely up-front about who I am and the fact that I am, naturally, biased when it comes to Chitika (and StL sports teams, but that's neither here nor there). But I also want to be able to answer questions and concerns. Understand if you're skeptical, and by all means call me on it if I try to peddle some BS.
Dan Ruby
Chitika Director of Marketing
StL sports teams
Having a company rep here in the forum, someone who can actually be approached and is willing to give feedback.. well, that's huge Dan and I think I can speak for others in this regard.
As the OP indicated they're a bit frustrated with adsense. Traffic is up. Ad revenue is down. I keep my ear pretty close to the ground and we're seeing this over and over again. Not just here but all over the web. If Chitika's going to make a move, I would say now would be the time to do it. Adsense may reach critical mass, but I wouldn't wait for that, nor would I count on it. I'd start siphoning off adsense publishers right now, today, and I'd do so in such a convincing manner they wouldn't even think about going back.
Again, there are a lot of disgruntled adsense publishers. Publishers with legitimate complaints. There are also a lot of very satisfied adsense publishers. The side carrying the complaints seems to be growing though. My own adsense revenue (low 4 figures) has been cut in half from what it was 4 years ago. If a reputable, dependable, consistent alternative were to come along I'd jump on it with both feet. I haven't seen that yet though, and I've tried everything there is to try.
That "call me on it if I try to peddle some BS" goes over big with me. I guess we'll see huh?
Thanks much for that. I'm looking forward to having some interesting conversations here.
I've been hearing a lot of what you're saying about AdSense, and it is troubling. I do think AdSense is a good system - I've got a very small blog that runs both AdSense and Chitika, mostly to help me see from a publisher's POV what each is like - but unfortunately it isn't giving me a lot of data (verrrrrry little traffic, I'm not that good about actually blogging on it more than once a month or so).
During the time you've been publishing w/AdSense, have you been using AdWords as well to publicize your site? If so, have you noticed your own keyword payments going down?
I honestly haven't been with Chitika that long, but what I'm hearing is generally pretty happy results - good eCPM, with complaints being from people who aren't seeing their ads display very often (since they generally only display to search traffic).
Has your CTR remained more or less stable as your revenue has dropped?
During the time you've been publishing w/AdSense, have you been using AdWords as well to publicize your site?
Has your CTR remained more or less stable as your revenue has dropped?
Anyway, nice to have you aboard Dan. I'm pretty sure I can speak for others here....
Is there a reason people expect Adsense earnings to be immune from the overall market downturn
