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Pet peeve - "$" used in place of letters for Google and Microsoft

M$ and now G$ am I the only person who is bothered by this?

         

mona

10:04 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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First of all, I know this is not a big deal, but it's bugged me for a while. And it seems like it's usuallly used in such a negative way. Now I don't want to start a disscussion on whether G or M is evil or greedy-money-hungry-you-know-what's. I'm just wondering if this bugs anyone else? And if it did (especially Brett;), maybe he could make so it when someone posts the $ symbol after M or G it works the same way as posting the acronym for WebmasterWorld. How if you do this it *magically* turns into being fully spelled out? If I'm not explaining right, let me know.

encyclo

2:03 am on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You're not the only one. M$, Micro$oft, G$, etc.: if you use terms like these in a post, my eyes glaze over, and I usually don't bother to reply. The problem is, if you post a thread of the type "G$ is broken" you've already made up you mind as where the blame lies with a particular product or service, so there's nothing left to debate.

vkaryl

4:14 am on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oh gosh, yes, I get to once again post one of the so-despised "me too's".... I'm with you on this one, guys. I won't even read posts that go there.

whoisgregg

2:24 am on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's a convenient way for the poster to discreetly tell a bigger story about their opinions/beliefs/values in a commonly understood shorthand. If I change the "S" to "$" in "Microsoft" or add a "$" after the initial "G" then I am telling the world (at least) a little more about how I currently view Microsoft or Google.

It's also used sometimes because the poster wants to give the impression they feel a particular way or because the poster think it's the "cool" thing to do. (I'm not just talking about 13 year olds either, "grown-ups" do it, too.)

In either case, it can be ignored or it can be used by other readers to better determine the content of the message and the state of the poster. You can use it as an indicator of a bad day, ignorance, a hasty post, wisdom :), or just plain idiocy depending on your experience.

If folks depend on these to pass summary judgements on posts/users**, how will they function in the absence of these indicators? I suppose they'd either find new indicators to separate the wheat from the chaff or they'd spend more time reading posts and judging them by their individual merits. (The latter is perhaps a case for automatically reformatting the dollar signs, but...)

If it was automatically removed, posters would just add other shorthand indicators about those companies. Like maybe a :P after the abbreviation. As the shorthands were filtered, they would just flat out speak their opinion "G sucks" or "MS sucks." I'd think that would be worse for the signal to noise ratio than an unusually placed "$."

Of course, if the use of a dollar sign in the wrong place is a sufficiently reliable indicator that the poster's comments have no value, then shouldn't the posts just be deleted? Or the user banned?

My $.02. :)

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** I use misplaced dollar signs in case you need that info to judge this post. :)
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encyclo

1:10 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The thing is, whether someone thinks that Google or Microsoft "sucks" is both irrelevant and harmful to the poster. If M$/G$ is used in a question, then the person asking has already made up their mind that the fault is Microsoft's or Google's, and not theirs - so what else is there to add? If M$/G$ is used in the answer, then the answer is devalued because the obvious prejudice (eg. "it's because M$ is crap").

My $.02.

Another of my pet peeves :D - often attached to great posts when the poster reaches the end of the message and starts to lack the courage of his convictions. Be bold, and just say it! Why devalue your thoughts?

lawman

1:13 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The "My $.02" bugs me way more than "$" appended to anything.

TheDoctor

4:30 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How about "my 1.06p"? :)

whoisgregg

8:18 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whether someone thinks that Google or Microsoft "sucks" is both irrelevant and harmful to the poster

They've chosen to include that subtext, for whatever reason. If that level of subtext was filtered because of a perceived irrelevance then I see a slippery slope in that decision.

Posters do a lot of irrelevant and harmful to themselves things, to filter them all would condense everyone's messages to an inhuman level. We all have our own filters anyways ranging from very common "1337 speak" blockers to more stringent and less common "misspeelings indicate ignorance" flags.

To deny the value we attach to being able to think we better understand the poster because of the quirks of their message is to deny the inferential power of these hunks of grey matter floating in our skulls.

My $.02

That time, I used it as a joke. Not a very good one apparently. :)

When I use it other times it's to remind people who might otherwise get a rise out of what I say that it's simply the voice of one person. I'm here to contribute, so I intentionally devalue my message on a regular basis. Demagoguery is outside the scope of my participation at WW. :)

mona

8:37 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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if you use terms like these in a post, my eyes glaze over
Mine too, encyclo, I can't seem to help it.


In either case, it can be ignored or it can be used by other readers to better determine the content of the message and the state of the poster. You can use it as an indicator of a bad day, ignorance, a hasty post, wisdom :), or just plain idiocy depending on your experience.

Hmmm..never thought about that way, whoisgreg. So maybe it's be better if they did stick around.

To deny the value we attach to being able to think we better understand the poster because of the quirks of their message is to deny the inferential power of these hunks of grey matter floating in our skulls.

True, but I just don't have the time or patience to read through so many posts. I need to use some kind of filter and this is jsut one of them. Maybe if it's used only once in a post, I can try to not let it bug me;-)

whoisgregg

5:31 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To deny the value we attach to being able to think we better understand the poster because of the quirks of their message is to deny the inferential power of these hunks of grey matter floating in our skulls.

I meant this to mean that the indicators are useful because they increase how the amount of information available. Now that I read it again, it seems awfully cryptic.

1Lit

4:47 pm on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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At least Google and Microsoft have created some truly unique and/or valuable products and services. The people knocking them are often far more money-obsessed: filling the search engines without hundreds of thousands of database-generated affiliate pages without any attempting to provide anything in the way of service.

limbo

9:08 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone watch the 'grumpy old men' series on the BBC not so long ago? Great telly, we all like to let off steam eh? Low-carb 'healthplans' are my beef at the moment, if you excuse the pun.

I think I'll plant myself in the middle of the road: 'M$' doesn't really bother me, Microsoft however, is a real pain in the proverbial backside

My 2p ;)

SEOMike

5:21 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A Little late with my opinion, but I think it also hurts Webmaster world by potentially keeping Webmasterworld out of the SERPs. Let's say a discussion was posted where everyone used Micro$oft or M$ to discuss a specific issue / discovery related to it. If the thread is indexed by the SEs and someone searches on the topic (say Microsft <issue>) the discussion in webmasterworld won't come up to offer more information / attract new users.

Google search: microsoft <issue> result: won't produce micro$oft or M$ <issue> discussed on webmasterworld.

I originally found webmasterworld by searching a very specific thing that I discovered related to SEO. If people used different lingo that I wasn't aware of, I wouldn't have found webmasterworld for quite a while.

mona

7:23 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wow. Excellent point, SEOMike. Glad I thought of it err.. I mean you thought of it ;-)