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How much better is the supporter's forum?

         

zulufox

9:09 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I love WebmasterWorld, but I haven't pony'd up the 150 for a year membership.

I was wondering, how much better is the information "on the flip side"?

Brett_Tabke

9:24 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There are quite a few back threads on the subject. Here is a starter:

[webmasterworld.com...]

mfishy

3:45 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For my purposes, the supporters is considerably better. Of course there are endles amazing threads on the public side, but the ratio of quality to noise is so much better back there for the most part.

jcoronella

3:47 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Significantly better.

It's all what you make of it though. No one is back there shouting secrets, but at least the quality of information is much higher.

ThomasB

5:26 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Supporters is my IE homepage because it gives me recent updates if major changes occur and saves time researching stuff in the rest.

pmac

5:59 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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WebmasterWorld without supporters is like a hug without a kiss.

robotsdobetter

6:06 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Their is so much free info here, so why pay for the supporter's forum. Maybe one day I will join it because I really love this place (to much free information really is bad sometimes).

vkaryl

6:12 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Maybe WebmasterWorld could allow people to visit the supporters' forum for a couple of days to check it out? No posting, just reading?

Brett_Tabke

9:09 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>Supporters is my IE homepage

Thanks Thomas!

kevinpate

9:48 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> allow people to visit ... for a couple of days

There's always the 6 month option if the full year option is out of reach. Brown bagging lunch for a handful of days in April would just about cover the 1/2 year fee, and one could then read & post until well into the fall.

Hmm, maybe I oughta take my own advice on that.

Brett_Tabke

9:51 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> access

remember that you are getting access to 1 years back convos too....

jcoronella

10:07 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Juicy stuff in the old posts:


The secret google search
...that will list all websites in order of PR
[webmasterworld.com]

Gold in it's day, but sadly before my subscription.

vkaryl

1:24 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Brown bagging lunch for a handful of days in April would just about cover the 1/2 year fee, and one could then read & post until well into the fall.

I already don't spend money on lunch, so though this sounds good in theory, it won't work for me in fact. I don't smoke, don't drink a lot.... costs me about $180/month in diesel to do an 80 mile/day commute - obviously can't short-circuit that, too bad boss doesn't believe in telecommuting!

We owe $1800 in state income tax. Have to pay that before I can do ANYTHING fun....

Supporters is my IE homepage

My homepage on any browser isn't.... I just bookmark links I use all the time and add to my quick-launch bar. Doesn't matter which is the browser-flavor of the moment, works just fine. Don't need a home page....

Webwork

1:43 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Less kiddie stuff. More erudite stuff. No one handing out trade secrets, mostly. More read between the lines stuff. Funnier in a mature way. Better news coverage and news analysis. Less "how many clicks did you get today" stuff. The usual variety of geeks, eccentrics, pedants, bad boys and bad girls - on their best behavior in the inner sanctum.

But is it really about paying to gain entrance or is it about being at that point in your life where you see paying as the thing that distinguishes you in some way? That you are becoming more of a professional? That you don't ride on someone else's nickel?

For what it's worth I usually save my best work for the supporter's forum, though I've been known to spread a few around. Take a look at the "beating the big boys in the domain name game thread" - in the domains forum to get an idea. Seems like my advice made someone a few thousand dollars richer and they thanked me for it - which was nice.

[webmasterworld.com...]

Then again, my contributions may not be worth that much to you, eh?

Okay, maybe Martinbuster's posts are worth the price of admission.

Brett_Tabke

1:51 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> No one handing out trade secrets, mostly

How soon they forget. I seem to recall a post giving heads up on what Overture/yahoo were going to do a good two weeks before they launched Site Match.

Webwork

5:43 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm tellin' ya, I don't care what yur name is Tabke, they're gonna be comin' after ya with torches and pitchforks if ya keep givin' out the secrets and spooky stuff of the inner sanctum of the supporter's forum.

Or so I've been told by no less authority than that there Brett guy.

Ya know 'em?

Oooo. Ya is him!

;-P

Brett_Tabke

6:04 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I also seem to recall a post talking about a major competitor in talks to buy Overture a few MONTHS before it happened.

I wonder how long before there is talk of someone buying AskJeeves ;-)

graywolf

2:12 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone who hasn't gotten $150 worth of value on the free side. So think of it as paying back for what you've already gotten, and getting a bonus.

4eyes

3:09 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Supporters has more experienced posters and less Google-huggers - makes it worth the cost just for that.

vkaryl

3:14 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"google huggers"? What mean you?

Shak

7:55 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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never mind the posts in there, the thread where everyone introduces themself is alone worth $0000s imo.

so many contacts, all with 1 goal.

you will be surprised of the power of being a WebmasterWorld member when pitching for business or asking a lady out on a date.

;)

Shak

sem4u

8:03 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Really Shak? :)

Might have to sign up then ;)

Smiley

8:17 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>I love WebmasterWorld

Then your support will help to keep it the way you like it.

ThomasB

11:51 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>or asking a lady out on a date.

Shak, will try it as soon as possible. Will let you know if it works in Germany as well. Or is it just because they know you have enough money? ;)

4eyes

11:58 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"google huggers"? What mean you?

erm... how to put this politely...

"Members who seem believe that Google is some kind of charitable organisation dedicated to helping the world rather than a business dedicated to making money"

..or, more succintly,

"Passengers on the Google Cluetrain"

...either way, the problem is a lack of objectivity when it comes to Google matters.

Macro

12:04 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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WebmasterWorld without supporters is like a hug without a kiss

I can personally guarantee that neither Brett nor Jenstar have kissed me on .... er, the "other side" ;)

But, yes, Brett does keep starting threads on useful stuff that he is privy to. Sign up, sign up, sign up, there's no other way to know. And if you don't like it, don't renew ;-)

Brett_Tabke

12:55 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> Supporters has more experienced posters
> and less Google-lovers/haters

just got off the phone with a reporter who thought we were sorta Yahoo lovers because we had Yahoo reps in the supporters forum. There have been/are members who are sure that we had Teoma and AllTheWeb on our xmas lists.

Fact is, we simply set the table, open the door, welcome the members, and try to stay civil with everyone given the diverse worldwide audience. Some days they are going to think we are Google haters/lovers (like yesterday), and the next day they think we are Yahoo lovers/haters (like last month on the launch of SiteMatch).

When we start to hear that many different opinions about one thing or another, I know we have struck that right balance.

>...either way, the problem is a lack of objectivity
> when it comes to Google matters.

I don't know which camp you are trying to be in 4eyes, but yes I have fairly strong in criticism of Google the last year, but I feel it was with good cause as I don't think alot of those moves are in Webmasters best interest. No we are *not* pro-yahoo or pro-this/that.

It is pretty clear that there are those that wouldn't be happy with us no matter what we'd do. So we just try to keep the whiners and malcontents out of the forums so we can have discussions without all the negativitiy. We just set the table and keep folks civil to talk about what they want to talk about without getting their parade rained on by naysayers that enjoy being negative for the sake of being negative.

4eyes

6:06 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Brett,

You are misreading my post - there is no accusation that WebmasterWorld is a 'google-hugger', merely that the 'Supporters' forum is better because the members who post there are less likely to be 'google-huggers'.

It was a recommendation to pay for membership and an endorsement of the objectivity of the members who post there.

If you follow the thread from the start this should be clear.

I have read over my words again and again and cannot see how you can arrive at the conclusion that prompted the above post

[added]
ie the conclusion that my position is unclear.
I am on the same side as you, the side of objectivity. 'Supporters' forum is more objective due to the greater experience in there and as such well worth the expenditure.

vkaryl

12:59 am on Mar 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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4eyes: thanks. I see what you mean, probably should have known just from exposure to "tree-hugger" as a derogatory. Wasn't thinking....

Well, if I can come up with 6 months worth eventually, I will no doubt become one of the elite. Might be a while though....

rcjordan

6:33 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>Less kiddie stuff. More erudite stuff. No one handing out trade secrets, mostly. More read between the lines stuff. Funnier in a mature way. Better news coverage and news analysis. Less "how many clicks did you get today" stuff.

I think Webworks summed it up quite well, though I think 'trade secrets' may be better read as seo or ranking related. It's a good news-filtering service and can focus your attention on stories that are just beginning to emerge.